zhunter Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The Doctor Sight is the way to go, PERIOD. It has been proven on Major 9 Open guns. It is not cheap, but buy once cry once! Hard to beat German glass! Both my wife and I are using them. Mine has over 5000 rounds on it so far. I know of one that is still running after 100,000 rounds on a Major 9 Open gun. The dots are always on, so no messing with dials at load and make ready. It is the ultimate K.I.S.S. system Yikes! $425 on Amazon ... at least you can't call it Welfare Optics any more ... Ken, this is without question the best dot for Carry/Production Optics. It's cheaper to buy one of these then a couple of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 . Which totally debunks the early "haters" who all said just go shoot Open. Early haters? I hear some are still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The Doctor Sight is the way to go, PERIOD. It has been proven on Major 9 Open guns. It is not cheap, but buy once cry once! Hard to beat German glass! Both my wife and I are using them. Mine has over 5000 rounds on it so far. I know of one that is still running after 100,000 rounds on a Major 9 Open gun. The dots are always on, so no messing with dials at load and make ready. It is the ultimate K.I.S.S. system Yikes! $425 on Amazon ... at least you can't call it Welfare Optics any more ... Sure you can. I know a guy who put a $700 sight on a $400 gun so it's still cheaper than open. Seems unwise but still cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctay Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I've shot both the Doctor and now a DeltaPoint pro. For me the Pro is significantly better. Ymmv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The Doctor Sight is the way to go, PERIOD. It has been proven on Major 9 Open guns. It is not cheap, but buy once cry once! Hard to beat German glass! Both my wife and I are using them. Mine has over 5000 rounds on it so far. I know of one that is still running after 100,000 rounds on a Major 9 Open gun. The dots are always on, so no messing with dials at load and make ready. It is the ultimate K.I.S.S. system Yikes! $425 on Amazon ... at least you can't call it Welfare Optics any more ... Ken, this is without question the best dot for Carry/Production Optics. It's cheaper to buy one of these then a couple of the others. no doubt ... I just tend to compare everything to a C-more ... for better or worse .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I've shot both the Doctor and now a DeltaPoint pro. For me the Pro is significantly better. Ymmv. I've used a Doctor and DeltaPoint, the latter gets my vote. I might take a look at the new Romeo sights from Sig too, as they might be a viable choice for this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I've shot both the Doctor and now a DeltaPoint pro. For me the Pro is significantly better. Ymmv. Can you elaborate? It certainly is way more expensive ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctay Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) I've shot both the Doctor and now a DeltaPoint pro. For me the Pro is significantly better. Ymmv.Can you elaborate? It certainly is way more expensive ...Bigger glass and brighter dot. I never had to change the battery on the doctor before I sold it so I can't remember if that was a problem or not. Very easy on the DP pro. Edited November 4, 2015 by ctay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 So I have a 85 combat I'm setting up for CO and wanted to touch base with you all to see what your think. Would the gun remain legal if I were to remove the rhs slide release as a way for weight reduction. No modification of the frame is required although the gun will be missing a part that is technically on the gun when approved to be on the list. Would the gun remain legal for CO and Production? I would say its comparable to removing the rhs safety and running the gun like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Mill for the optic, get the Scales grips and it will make weight without removing parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I think the scale grips will be to thick for my hands. I have to use the thin alum grips and even then my finger barely reaches the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Not sure about guide rod, some are steel and some plastic in factory CZ , there is weight reduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walküre Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Mill for the optic, get the Scales grips and it will make weight without removing parts Do you actually have one set up? I am extremely skeptical of people making these statements, given my personal experience, and the fact that it seems every one of these remarks has been made without actually having weighed all of the prospective pieces, let alone actually have an actual pistol set up that way. My Compact set up for CO now weighs in at 34.55oz. It is currently wearing a set of VZs, which are comparable in weight to the aluminum scale grips (if anything, the VZs are actually lighter). Note that the scale grips are only marginally lighter than the CZC thin aluminum, and both are on the higher end of the weight scale. A full-size will be able to make weight, but you are going to have to play with the parts and/or mags to make it - you won't be able to just use whatever you'd like. Edited November 5, 2015 by Walküre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I have the gun but now it just game planning to get it set up with a little of wiggle room. I was planning on sanding down the plastic grips flat and applying grip tape but the plastic grips aren't solid so if I try to sand flat I will have a big hole in my grip. Realistically I want to be able to put aluminum grips on it but have to weight for milling for that. If I can run the gun without the rhs slide stop I will have a little more room for my grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Mill for the optic, get the Scales grips and it will make weight without removing parts Do you actually have one set up? I am extremely skeptical of people making these statements, given my personal experience, and the fact that it seems every one of these remarks has been made without actually having weighed all of the prospective pieces, let alone actually have an actual pistol set up that way. My Compact set up for CO now weighs in at 44.55oz. It is currently wearing a set of VZs, which are comparable in weight to the aluminum scale grips (if anything, the VZs are actually lighter). Note that the scale grips are only marginally lighter than the CZC thin aluminum, and both are on the higher end of the weight scale. A full-size will be able to make weight, but you are going to have to play with the parts and/or mags to make it - you won't be able to just use whatever you'd like. 44.55 ounces? Isn't the current max weight 35 ounces? Did you have a typo? Edited November 5, 2015 by Gary Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) No, I don't have an 85 Combat, and you make a good point. A while ago someone post a photo of one with scale grips on a scale showing the weight under 35 oz. Could it have been fake, sure, but that did not seem to be the intent of that poster. I have also corresponded with a guy at CZ-USA and he mentioned going the 85 combat route too, so yes I so think it is doable. Edited to add: I am going to keep shooting my P-09 and hoping for the weight limitation to go away after the January BoD meeting Edited November 5, 2015 by zhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The great thing about using the 85c is if the weight limit is lifted I can run the slide on my shadow lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Mill for the optic, get the Scales grips and it will make weight without removing parts Do you actually have one set up? I am extremely skeptical of people making these statements, given my personal experience, and the fact that it seems every one of these remarks has been made without actually having weighed all of the prospective pieces, let alone actually have an actual pistol set up that way. My Compact set up for CO now weighs in at 44.55oz. It is currently wearing a set of VZs, which are comparable in weight to the aluminum scale grips (if anything, the VZs are actually lighter). Note that the scale grips are only marginally lighter than the CZC thin aluminum, and both are on the higher end of the weight scale. A full-size will be able to make weight, but you are going to have to play with the parts and/or mags to make it - you won't be able to just use whatever you'd like. A CZ 75b makes it without any issues, as long as you use the JPoint optic (1/2 oz.) It comes with a short plastic guide rod, and a LHS only safety. It also comes with plastic grips which are significantly lighter than other grips i've weighed. I prefer the rubber grips, but they are triple the weight of the plastic grips (1.2 oz per side, vs 0.4 oz per side.) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=221731&p=2488703 Edited November 5, 2015 by sperman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 There was a lot of work done in getting the SP-01 weight down to the IDPA SSP weight limit some years ago. Search around for the threads. They looked at guide rods, mags, grips, slide stops, the whole enchilada. This work could easily be applied to 75/85s. Later, Chuck PS: I may put a Deltapoint on my nightstand 75B if I ever get inspired to shoot a crappy open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamann Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Mill for the optic, get the Scales grips and it will make weight without removing parts Do you actually have one set up? I am extremely skeptical of people making these statements, given my personal experience, and the fact that it seems every one of these remarks has been made without actually having weighed all of the prospective pieces, let alone actually have an actual pistol set up that way. My Compact set up for CO now weighs in at 44.55oz. It is currently wearing a set of VZs, which are comparable in weight to the aluminum scale grips (if anything, the VZs are actually lighter). Note that the scale grips are only marginally lighter than the CZC thin aluminum, and both are on the higher end of the weight scale. A full-size will be able to make weight, but you are going to have to play with the parts and/or mags to make it - you won't be able to just use whatever you'd like. A CZ 75b makes it without any issues, as long as you use the JPoint optic (1/2 oz.) It comes with a short plastic guide rod, and a LHS only safety. It also comes with plastic grips which are significantly lighter than other grips i've weighed. I prefer the rubber grips, but they are triple the weight of the plastic grips (1.2 oz per side, vs 0.4 oz per side.) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=221731&p=2488703 Wow l might have to do this. I just weighed my 75 BD with Jpoint on mount in dovetail, with the rubber grips and empty mag, and scale said 36 ounces. Man that might work, this gun tracks the dot great with minor. Now I'm all excited. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric4069 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Any Deltapoint shooters have feedback? I'm thinking triangle site will be good set up for longer shots with precision. Cover closer shots for speed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have Deltapoint with 7.5 triange and I totally agree. 7.5 is not at all too large. When you think about it that is just less than 2 inches at 25 yards. What percentage of our shots are past 25 yards? not many. If need the most precision for longer shots just use the top of the triange as advertised. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Wow l might have to do this. I just weighed my 75 BD with Jpoint on mount in dovetail, with the rubber grips and empty mag, and scale said 36 ounces. Man that might work, this gun tracks the dot great with minor. Now I'm all excited. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Milling the slide was about 1/2 oz. The optic mounting screws added back 0.1 oz. I don't know how much your mount weighs, but that will go away too if you mill the slide. You will still probably have to lose the rubber grips, but it's not that hard to get the 75b to make weight with the JPoint optic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walküre Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Mill for the optic, get the Scales grips and it will make weight without removing parts Do you actually have one set up? I am extremely skeptical of people making these statements, given my personal experience, and the fact that it seems every one of these remarks has been made without actually having weighed all of the prospective pieces, let alone actually have an actual pistol set up that way. My Compact set up for CO now weighs in at 44.55oz. It is currently wearing a set of VZs, which are comparable in weight to the aluminum scale grips (if anything, the VZs are actually lighter). Note that the scale grips are only marginally lighter than the CZC thin aluminum, and both are on the higher end of the weight scale. A full-size will be able to make weight, but you are going to have to play with the parts and/or mags to make it - you won't be able to just use whatever you'd like. 44.55 ounces? Isn't the current max weight 35 ounces? Did you have a typo? Oops. Yeah, typo - should have been 34.55oz. Edited November 5, 2015 by Walküre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walküre Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 A CZ 75b makes it without any issues, as long as you use the JPoint optic (1/2 oz.) It comes with a short plastic guide rod, and a LHS only safety. It also comes with plastic grips which are significantly lighter than other grips i've weighed. I prefer the rubber grips, but they are triple the weight of the plastic grips (1.2 oz per side, vs 0.4 oz per side.) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=221731&p=2488703 With the plastic grips though, which is my point. Running all of the fancy bits will get hard on the full-size. You could probably put the grips on yours with the right mag, but you'll be really close. A small variation between scales could put it over in that case; far closer than I myself ever like to run anything (whether it be gun on the scale or ammo over the chrono). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Life's full of choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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