ArrDave Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Finally got my gunsmith to tune the trigger on my Valor. The only parts I needed was a Nowlin sear spring and a Caspian Trik Trigger (because I wanted it). Anyway, he came back with a 2 lbs 4 oz trigger job. He's tested it, it's safe. Is there a compelling reason not to run the trigger that light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If its done right, there shouldn't be any issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Nope, not as long as you are comfortable with it. The DW guns come with very good components, and the trigger group is no exception. I have a PM9 and one of the first things I did was tweak the trigger using standard trigger tuning techniques. Got it down to 2 pounds, but for a single stack wanted something a tad heavier so adjusted it up to the 2.25- 2.50 pound range. Very happy with the feel of the trigger. I also replaced the trigger with a Caspian Trik trigger (personal preference) and replaced the sear spring which was not necessary, but I wanted to retain the stock one unmolested for resale - just in case. The Valor is a nice looking gun and should work great for you. Im not sure why DW doesn't offer a 40 and 45 with the same features as the PM9 (front strap checkering, adjustable sights, fiber optic front sight). If they did I'd buy one in a heatbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASE772 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I use to run a 2# trigger all the time. But over time I've learned to grip the gun properly and I find a Just over 3# is perfect. Im not sure why DW doesn't offer a 40 and 45 with the same features as the PM9 (front strap checkering, adjustable sights, fiber optic front sight). If they did I'd buy one in a heatbeat. I hear you there. I called DW and ask why in the world would you offer front strap checkering on the 9mm and not the .45???? They said the custom shop could do it.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 I use to run a 2# trigger all the time. But over time I've learned to grip the gun properly and I find a Just over 3# is perfect. Im not sure why DW doesn't offer a 40 and 45 with the same features as the PM9 (front strap checkering, adjustable sights, fiber optic front sight). If they did I'd buy one in a heatbeat. I hear you there. I called DW and ask why in the world would you offer front strap checkering on the 9mm and not the .45???? They said the custom shop could do it.???? I sent them an email asking the same question. With respect to trigger pull, I was doing fine when it was stock at 4.25, we'll see how it runs at 2.25. I guess there is no need to stage the trigger anymore for longer shots... I'll see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I've been running 1.5# Infinity triggers for several years with no issues. Just use good trigger finger discipline and you will be fine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstagn Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ranger Trace, how many rounds can you go before you need maintenance ie. sear/hammer on your 1.5# trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I've got a 1.8# trigger on my Cameron limited gun. 60K, no maintenance, other than cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambluemax Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The reason would be that generally speaking, triggers down around 2# won't last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ranger Trace, how many rounds can you go before you need maintenance ie. sear/hammer on your 1.5# trigger? 17K was my highest round count gun with no issues at all. My others are all or have been virtually new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The reason would be that generally speaking, triggers down around 2# won't last. That's simply not true. Yeah, the guys that use 15 and 17 lb mainsprings to get the weight down tend to have problems after a while. But that's not the way a knowledgeable smith gets a good, reliable, long-lasting trigger. I run 23 lb mainsprings and my triggers are around 1.75 lb. And several have 30k+ rounds through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The reason would be that generally speaking, triggers down around 2# won't last. That's simply not true. Yeah, the guys that use 15 and 17 lb mainsprings to get the weight down tend to have problems after a while. But that's not the way a knowledgeable smith gets a good, reliable, long-lasting trigger. I run 23 lb mainsprings and my triggers are around 1.75 lb. And several have 30k+ rounds through them. I have had a 17 lb main in my 9 and 40 for years and never had an issue. I run a 19 in my .45. A 23 lb main spring is excessive. A 19 at most will be 100% reliable even with the hardest of primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 FWIW, STI uses 15# mainsprings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 The reason would be that generally speaking, triggers down around 2# won't last. That's simply not true. Yeah, the guys that use 15 and 17 lb mainsprings to get the weight down tend to have problems after a while. But that's not the way a knowledgeable smith gets a good, reliable, long-lasting trigger. I run 23 lb mainsprings and my triggers are around 1.75 lb. And several have 30k+ rounds through them. I have had a 17 lb main in my 9 and 40 for years and never had an issue. I run a 19 in my .45. A 23 lb main spring is excessive. A 19 at most will be 100% reliable even with the hardest of primers. I've got the stock MS on my Valor, which is a 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambluemax Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The reason would be that generally speaking, triggers down around 2# won't last. That's simply not true. Yeah, the guys that use 15 and 17 lb mainsprings to get the weight down tend to have problems after a while. But that's not the way a knowledgeable smith gets a good, reliable, long-lasting trigger. I run 23 lb mainsprings and my triggers are around 1.75 lb. And several have 30k+ rounds through them. Knowledgeable being the operative word. Knowledgeable gunsmiths, REAL knowledgeable gunsmiths are a rare find. Even they say its hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthco Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Could someone tell me what the dis-advantages of light mainsprings actually are? Many of the folks here will agree that properly set up pistols will set off most any primer with a 17# spring. I would guess most of the open guys are running 15# springs. 23# springs were fine for military use, I suppose to accommodate any variation in mass produced ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The reason would be that generally speaking, triggers down around 2# won't last. That's simply not true. Yeah, the guys that use 15 and 17 lb mainsprings to get the weight down tend to have problems after a while. But that's not the way a knowledgeable smith gets a good, reliable, long-lasting trigger. I run 23 lb mainsprings and my triggers are around 1.75 lb. And several have 30k+ rounds through them. I have had a 17 lb main in my 9 and 40 for years and never had an issue. I run a 19 in my .45. A 23 lb main spring is excessive. A 19 at most will be 100% reliable even with the hardest of primers. MS weight is not just about reliable ignition. It also affects trigger feel, barrel timing, recoil spring weight, etc.. So to say 23 lb is overkill b/c 17 lb provides reliable ignition is a very simplistic view and overlooks all the other issues. The point I was trying to make is that a good, durable trigger job depends far more on parts preparation and setup, than switching to lighter springs with marginal work on the other stuff, which is extremely common. Doing it right takes time, effort and skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 True ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter567 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 When you say RUN IT, I hope you mean compete with it. Not carry it or anything like that. Last week I was shooting with a very experienced shooter and his factory Kimberly went full auto. I'm glad it was him and not several of the other guys at the match. He did a GREAT job of keeping the barrel down into the berm until it ran out of ammo. Thankfully it was a 1911 and not a 2011. Anyway,he said it was all factory parts, he'd been shooting it for years. It had a 2.5 # trigger before this happened. He said. I don't know enough to know if that is all true. But I do know what can happen when a very light trigger wears out. I would be very conscious of wear and stay on top of your maintenance. Also make sure that the light trigger is worth the risk (if any). Is it improving your splits? Better follow up times? Then run with it. If not, maybe a safer, 3 or 3.5# is a better solution. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDee Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I have 2 DWs (PM9 & SSC) and have had the triggers tuned to 2.5 lbs. The smith who did mine did not change the mainsprings. For competition, for me, this is an improvement over the factory triggers which were about 4 lbs. The only times I've seen issues with ADs etc. it has been with sub-2# triggers, many of which were done by inexperienced smiths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moparnut88 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have a 14oz trigger with 15k on it and 3yrs without a failure! But this is in an open gun. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryg22 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Can anyone PM me the contact info for a gunsmith who can get my 1911 9mm down to a RELIABLE 2.5 - 2.75#? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmBeach1 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Can anyone PM me the contact info for a gunsmith who can get my 1911 9mm down to a RELIABLE 2.5 - 2.75#? Thanks. Go see Derrick at Palm Beach Shooting Center. He is a builder of custom guns, so I am sure he can handle this for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactusbrew Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Yep. If you only put your finger on the trigger when you are shooting, then 2 lbs is fine. My trigger is right around 2.5 lbs and I can feel the creep when I shoot it these days. When you are not actively shooting, you must teach yourself to remove your finger from the trigger and lock it firmly against the receiver. If you do this, you will love a 2lb trigger. I know I thoroughly love mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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