elftech86 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Yes a proper grip and some strength are the most important things. The CoC grippers are what you want and the below video gives a good overview of grip technique. Great lesson! Learn something new every day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Received my dyno. Strong hand 3 fingers shooting position. 118 lbs Weak hand 4 fingers at a 45. 122 lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Received my dyno. Strong hand 3 fingers shooting position. 118 lbs Weak hand 4 fingers at a 45. 122 lbs you are already a gm. time to sell that dyno to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Received my dyno. Strong hand 3 fingers shooting position. 118 lbs Weak hand 4 fingers at a 45. 122 lbs Good stuff. Your results are consistent with what I have seen from shooters with decent grip strength. Each hand being within about 5lbs of one another is typical as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OM517 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 New here so hello everybody. I just introdeced myself in the introduction forum. This is a topic that ive had a lot of interest in and something that i struggle with. When i shoot, my elbows are slightly bent, torqued in, and a very firm grip. My stance probably needs fine tuning which i can work on through dryfire which i do roughly 5 times a week at about 30 minutes per session. The first video is normal speed and everything looks decent I guess. Second video is slo mo and it definitely shows room for improvement. Please give me ur worst! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J3GXIvpd3sM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S5POUv4W91c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 517, just from what I've seen pros recommend on their youtube videos, I would say you are dropping your head too much. A bunch of them recommend keeping head pretty much at natural standing position and bringing gun up to eye-target line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Agreed, when the buzzer sounds your head should not tuck, lean, nada. Your head should not move. Check out your head in a large mirror during the draw to see what's going on. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) OM517> Watch your slow motion video and how the gun shifts in your support hand while the support hand is stationary. The gun shifting under your hand is a direct result of not enough grip pressure on your support hand. This is also why the grip on your support hand fails and you have to regrip the gun. Others have already mentioned the head position issue. Use a normal head position as if you were talking to someone during a conversation. Then simply bring the gun up to your eye without bobbing your head down to the sights. There is no need to hunch over or duck your head down to the sights. Look at my head position in this slow motion video of me shooting three different Limited guns with 170PF Major ammo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUYPsioNKmg Edited January 19, 2016 by CHA-LEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OM517 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Thanks to all for the help. I dont know why i got in the habbit of havin my head ducked down... And thanks CHA-LEE for the video. That helps to clarify stance, posture, and the fact that i need to tighten my grip and wrists. I tried the stance after i read your responses and I will admit that it feels pretty awkward. But thats to be expected being that i have never really practiced or shot that way. Im also thinking about getting a dyno mainly because i am curious as to what i have as far as grip strength. Hopefully i will be able to get more videos up for further critiqe. Thanks again! Edited January 19, 2016 by OM517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 517, I'll add one more thing. It looks in your video as if you're rocking back a bit much with each shot. If you're not already, bending your knees a little will suck up that energy. If your knees are bent, then shifting upper body weight forward might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 ... or elbows? I cannot tell if the elbows are locked in the video, but that would transmit most of the energy to the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OM517 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Funny thing you mention that IDescribe because i noticed that same thing in rewatching the video earlier today. My body seemed to be taking a lickin. To be honest, i was prolly just standing there like i would if I were standing in line at the DMV or somethin...im pretty much 99% sure my elbows werent locked, as i have never done that. I just really need to pay more attention because I don't get to do this as often as i need to. Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDescribe Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Bend your knees. It does more to absorb recoil than you would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OM517 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Ok i tried getting more upright but everything seemed to be worse. Idk...my knees are bent and my weight is on the balls of my feet. My support hand is not slipping and im gripping the snot out of the gun and the sights are comming rught back but as far as managing the recoil...well not so much. It just seems my strong side is still giving too much and i cant seem to get it to stop giving. Elbows are not locked. Or is it something im not seeing? I ducked my head again, i know, but it seemed like i had to do that to really get behind the gun. Every other video i have watched, the shooters strong side wrist seems way more solid than mine. It seems like it starts at my wrist and just whips on down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHcF4bVRtQQ Again, any help at all is appreciated, and i just noticed i wasnt wearing eye protection, so sorry. Forgot they were on my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 No safety glasses while shooting.....Yikes!!! It's a little hard to see from a profile vantage point but it looks like the gun is muzzle flipping up and to the right. Any time the gun does not muzzle flip straight up and down it means that there is an uneven grip pressure on the gun. The the left/right direction the gun goes tells you which hand is the weak point. If your gun is muzzle flipping to the right then your right hand is the weak link. Also having the feeling like you have to duck your head down to the sights to "get behind the gun" basically means that you are using the wrong stance and arm position anyway. I hate to be the one to say it, but fixing your grip, arm, head, and stance issues isn't going to happen remotely over the Internet. You need an effective trainer to show you in person. Have you taken a training class from a highly skilled pistol shooter? If not make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OM517 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Yeah sorry about the lack of glasses! I completely understand this isn't going to happen over the internet. Ive beem recently searching for someone reputable that will offer classes around me and i am going to try to make that happen when time and funds allow. I should have picked up knitting as a hobby hahaha. Thanks a bunch man. In the meantime, i will focus on grip training and stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I agree with charlie that from my (laymans) assessment of the first vids it was not enough weak hand grip. in the most recent vid to me I notice another issue which is your strong hand seems to be a little rotated around the grip too far clockwise. ie if front strap is 12 oclock and rear strap 6 oclock (looking down on the gun from above) your strong hand is too far around. you want the backstrap in the heel of your hand. it seems to me (and if I'm wrong please say so as the vid is not that clear) that the backstrap is on the edge of the heel of your strong hand. you don't need your trigger finger to be right in the trigger guard. you should be using just the first pad on your finger to work the trigger. I think the gun torquing like that is from either the uneven grip strength or from the strong hand being rotated too far around the grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OM517 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Actually, now that you say something, it is on the edge. Ill get that brought around, and im going to try to get my wrist more behind as well. Thanks for pointing that out @beerbaron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou13 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) took a bit of an internet sabbatical this is a good thread !!! (most of it) i need to go back and re read earlier posts im a big fan of COC. didn't know bout zenith grips!! i'm graduating from trainer going to order 1, 1.5 and 2 set. i like the idea of zenith no more raw hands. but am worried they maybe too slick???? any one use both in the 1 to 1.5 range? most have stronger dominant hand. and since starting training grip..... although stronger over all dominant hand is still stronger what are your thoughts on training weak more, increasing weak hand strength more than dominant??? Edited February 1, 2016 by biglou13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunBugBit Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) I've been using gripper devices since the 1970s. I have trained the weak hand about 20% more over the decades, so that I can call it "my other strong hand". My right hand tends to stay a little stronger, but just a little. A strong grip is certainly handy, I suppose I take mine somewhat for granted. Edited February 1, 2016 by GunBugBit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I do wish the CoC didn't hurt my fingers and skin so much. It's more a test of pain tolerance than muscle sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I do wish the CoC didn't hurt my fingers and skin so much. It's more a test of pain tolerance than muscle sometimes. Wear some work gloves while using it and the grippers won't terrorize your hands as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothguy Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I do wish the CoC didn't hurt my fingers and skin so much. It's more a test of pain tolerance than muscle sometimes. I used some rubber grip wrap that is used for golf clubs and tennis rackets. All the sporting goods stores have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I do wish the CoC didn't hurt my fingers and skin so much. It's more a test of pain tolerance than muscle sometimes. Your skin will toughen up over time if you do it consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I do wish the CoC didn't hurt my fingers and skin so much. It's more a test of pain tolerance than muscle sometimes. I started out with #1 and at first wasn't sure if that thing was to toughen up your hands or improve your grip... I put one strip of masking tape on the grip that my fingers contacted and left it on for about a week or two. Now it's fine without anything on the grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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