glocklover Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I can easly make power factor of 165 with my 40 S&W. What is the reason only 45acp can be used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrispies Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It's a division intended for traditional 1911's... probably because there are too many 1911 traditionalists who are too stubborn to shoot anything else, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckbone Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Because the men need somewhere to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Because they don't make a .46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) Because they don't make a .46 http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_4602.htm Edited February 16, 2014 by Loves2Shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Bill Wilson started IDPA. His game, his rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 .45 Win Mag is larger still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 They are all still .451" bullets. So no .46 for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glocklover Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) Bill Wilson started IDPA. His game, his rules. Oh. I thought there might be a practical reason. There just afraid that nobody will shoot 1911's in a 45? Edited February 17, 2014 by glocklover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It's to protect and promote the 45 ACP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviesterno Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 why would we need to protect the 45? It protects me all day also it blows up Nazi tanks. and it's just more fun to shoot than some limp ass 9mm. I was shooting a dueling tree for funnsies and the 9mm would barely move them, the 45 (barely major) slapped them side to side. That's just baddass, and really what more reason do we need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Once upon a time 10mm auto was legal for cdp. I forget when the rule change happened early 2000s I think. Edited to add I think it was 2001. Edited February 17, 2014 by caspian guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Because they are scared of the .40. Which is a very popular round for LE and self defense but yet has no place to play in IDPA. oh well. Edited February 17, 2014 by steel1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Who is "they"? What reasons would "they' have to be "scared" of a .40? Because .40 shooters might win the hundreds of thousands of dollars that are awarded to winners every year in IDPA competition? Because the .40 is so popular that all the top IDPA shooters would migrate to that caliber if it were allowed in CDP Division in IDPA? Because .40 shooters would win all the matches, and as a result people would stop purchasing 9mm and .45 ACP pistols, ammo, and reloading components? Your statement just doesn't make sense to me, but I'm willing to be open-minded if you would care to explain. By the way . . . . . anyone can shoot .40 caliber pistols (and many do) in IDPA matches in divisions other than CDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'll give you one reason they obviously are scared of it...because they won't let it play in CDP. If it's not that big of a deal as you do sarcastically put it then let it in. As for shooting it in other divisions, what like ssp and ESP that's a minor PF division? There is only one division that factory PF ammo .40 fits and that's CDP. So yeah scared is the correct term. Because obviously somebody is scared of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yep- there is no place for 40 major in IDPA. From a competitive standpoint that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig N Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I always figured it was the difference in 8 rounds and 10 rounds. 40 has a place in SSP and ESP if you download to minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Corey: But who? And of what? It's a .45 division, just like the revolver has divisions. You got me on the sarcasm - I take it back. But I can;t understand who would gain something (or what that something would be) if .40 or 10mm were allowed in CDP. By the way, I'm agreeing that it doesn't make sense to not allow .40 or 10mm. I just can't see a conspiracy here, and can't picture one of those calibers dominating CDP division if they were allowed to play. Edited February 17, 2014 by 45 Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 It's a division intended for traditional 1911's... probably because there are too many 1911 traditionalists who are too stubborn to shoot anything else, lol! Really? Hmmm see lots of 45 M&Ps and G21s (the 41 will be the GLOCK lovers CDP gun my prediction) and then there are the FNs in 45 and Sig 220s It's not just limited to the 1911 in 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDPMatt Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Because Wilson doesn't make a .40 Dumb, but yeah, that's the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Corey: But who? And of what? It's a .45 division, just like the revolver has divisions. You got me on the sarcasm - I take it back. But I can;t understand who would gain something (or what that something would be) if .40 or 10mm were allowed in CDP. By the way, I'm agreeing that it doesn't make sense to not allow .40 or 10mm. I just can't see a conspiracy here, and can't picture one of those calibers dominating CDP division if they were allowed to play. The powers that be is the only people I can assume is afraid of they allow .40 in it will over take .45...there is just no way. It just comes back around to, nobody can give me a good reason not to let it in but there is a boat load of reasons to let it in. FYI I still shoot my .40 SS I. ESP 8+1 major when I'm getting tooled up for a major USPSA match. ESR isn't a .45 only division it's just that the 625 is the only one that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I always figured it was the difference in 8 rounds and 10 rounds. 40 has a place in SSP and ESP if you download to minor. And you shoot a double stack gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 When this Tiger Teams thing was announced a year plus ago, I mentioned that we could just go to 4 divisions: 1. MAJSAP (major power factored semi auto pistol) 2. MINSAP 3. MAJREV 4. MINREV MAJSAP would be 165 PF plus and loaded to 8+1 MINSAP would be 125 to 164.99 PF loaded to 10+1 If you have a Colt Delta Elite, or a Kimber 10mm, or a Glock 20 you're just SOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) "Because Wilson doesn't make a .40. Dumb, but yeah, that's the reason." I suggest you check the Wilson Combat website. They make several models in .40 S&W caliber. Edited February 17, 2014 by 45 Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 When this Tiger Teams thing was announced a year plus ago, I mentioned that we could just go to 4 divisions: 1. MAJSAP (major power factored semi auto pistol) 2. MINSAP 3. MAJREV 4. MINREV MAJSAP would be 165 PF plus and loaded to 8+1 MINSAP would be 125 to 164.99 PF loaded to 10+1 If you have a Colt Delta Elite, or a Kimber 10mm, or a Glock 20 you're just SOL. Makes sense. They lowered the ssp times to faster than CDP times so they obviously think they are close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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