CHA-LEE Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 More gun options that make the sport more appealing to existing or new shooters is a good thing. Especially in the fastest growing division which is Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Another fact of life...... Whiners will always feel the need to whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Another fact of life...... Whiners will always feel the need to whine. Are you whining about whiners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Another fact of life...... Whiners will always feel the need to whine. Are you whining about whiners? Now don't you go whining about us whining about those whining about...wait what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRG65 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 FYI all as I was about to send my SP01 Shadow in for the retrofit, I had asked cz custom if the retrofit was production legal and they recommended that I ask the rule makers so I emailed Mr. Amidon. It sounds like a retrofit isn't legal because the only milling of the slide that is legal is for sight replacement. Here is his response. Cut and paste email below. Seth, Sorry on the delay but I have been traveling for a BOD meeting and when I got home my internet router was shot and ordered a new one, have two machines up and running so I will give you a quick response to your inquiry. Mostly what you state is true, however, if the retrofit changes the barrel length for the specific model, it would not be allowed per 21.3 and if the slide needs to be milled, that would fall into 21.3b and that states it can be done but for sights only. John -----Original Message----- From: Seth Ritzman Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:52 PM To: dnroi@uspsa.org Subject: Fwd: Accushadow bushing I wasn't sure if this got lost in the inbox over the weekend so I'm re sending, the Enos forum indicated that you usually respond within 24 hours. Just to verify. Now that the CZ SP-01 Accushadow is a production legal gunper D4 21.6 would allow another CZ SP-01 Shadow to be retrofitted with the bushing and still be production legal. As the bushing is an OEM part from another approved gun model. Thank you Seth Ritzman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Does the Accu have any particular markings on the slide aside from the obvious bushing? I am not sure how one could distinguish an original Accu versus retrofit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverUsername Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Aren't they all technically retrofitted at CZC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Are there any special distinguishing markings, serial number range, name etched in the side, or something like that which would distinguish a new purchased Accu-Shadow CZ pistol verses an existing one that has been upgraded? Since CZ Custom is taking off the shelf CZ's and adding the Accu-Shadow bushing system to them I would venture to say that there would not be any special markings to distinguish a "New Built" one from an "Old Reworked" one. If that is the case, then how could NROI or anyone else for that matter be able to accurately determine if the gun was purchased with the upgrade already on it, or if it was done as an upgrade after the gun was purchased??? The shooter could obviously tell the match official if it was purchased that way or upgraded afterwards, but other than that it would be nearly impossible for them to disposition when the upgrade was installed if the shooter simply handed over his pistol at the Chrono station and didn't say a word. The way I see this, the cat is out of the bag on this kind of upgrade once NROI put the Accu-Shadow CZ pistol on the approved production gun list. As a match director I am not going to waste the time or effort trying to figure out who ordered the gun new with this upgrade already applied, or if it was done after the fact. For the vast majority of shooters who do upgrade their pistol or purchase a pistol with this upgrade already installed, it isn't going to make any difference in their actual match performance ability. It will give them a stiff punch to the wallet to purchase the upgrade, but measurable match performance benefit is going to be very minimal if any at all. At lest this is my opinion. I could be completely wrong and it some how creates a magical never missing A zone magnet mega blaster. Edited December 18, 2013 by CHA-LEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 magical never missing A zone magnet mega blaster. I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftjandra Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 No distingushing markings. My Accu-shadow just says the same thing. SP-01 Shadow 9x19 or whatever it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I could be completely wrong and it some how creates a magical never missing A zone magnet mega blaster. Doubtful. Likely just leaves them with one less excuse for match performance... not saying that I am not interested of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If that is the case, then how could NROI or anyone else for that matter be able to accurately determine if ... That has never been the criteria for legality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 For the vast majority of shooters who do upgrade their pistol or purchase a pistol with this upgrade already installed, it isn't going to make any difference in their actual match performance ability. It will give them a stiff punch to the wallet to purchase the upgrade, but measurable match performance benefit is going to be very minimal if any at all. At lest this is my opinion. I could be completely wrong and it some how creates a magical never missing A zone magnet mega blaster. Yep. I agree completely. CZ makes outstanding guns, and the bushing on the Accu is a nice feature. I like when gun companies are being proactive and moving forward with designs, such as in the case of the Accu. But with the exception of a few shooters, and we all know this, the addition of a bushing will probably have no effect on our ability (or in my case inability) to shoot alpha's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdave24 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Probably not a big difference. But if you go from a 2.5 inch group at 25 yards to a 1 inch group at 25 yards with the bushing (not saying that's what will happen), you will sometimes make a shot you would have missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Just in time for the shipping notice I just got on my AccuShadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrVvrroomm Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I think I need one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDPMatt Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) At what distance should you typically see an accuracy improvement? Edited December 24, 2013 by CDPMatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I doubt you'd notice much difference at 25 yards. at 50 yards I could imagine seeing a small reduction in group size. I guess the difference is these will all be fitted much tighter. with a usual shadow you will get some that are super tight and some a bit less tight. that is the luck of factory built guns. with this being a custom gun you can be assured all the accu shadows will be tight as can be. it's basically for people who want the assurance there is no doubt that there equipment is letting them down. though I doubt many people shooting a regular shadow are being let down accuracy wise at typical USPSA/IPSC distances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I suspect some folks have been ordering accu-shadows the last couple weeks. Have they been giving y'all an approximate delivery date or guesstimate of waiting time? I'm thinking of getting one for myself as a present when I make A's, but I have a lot of .40 minor ammo to run through my cgw-tweaked 75b before I can justify switching to 9mm for production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMike Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I suspect some folks have been ordering accu-shadows the last couple weeks. Have they been giving y'all an approximate delivery date or guesstimate of waiting time? I'm thinking of getting one for myself as a present when I make A's, but I have a lot of .40 minor ammo to run through my cgw-tweaked 75b before I can justify switching to 9mm for production. I ordered a few days ago and was told it would probably ship around the end of January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I ordered mine in May and just got it in time for Christmas. Can't wait to start shooting it this year in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgkeller Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 Shot mine in a local yesterday. Dawson fiber front sight. Awesome pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordinator Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Been in possesion of one for two months. Still waiting on the GM card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) we got this thing going at my club. in fact,all those CZ's variants from CZCS aren't exactly production based. process is, cz custom get a batch of guns, then modify all the same ; anyhow those guns aren't designed and assembled as it by CZ factory,then shouldn't be accepted in production. limited. dang....i've been bumped in limited with my G17 because i did a cerakote on the slide in different color than factory , so now CZCS shadows are offered in so many different variants , very far away from production based guns imo...LOL. Edited January 5, 2014 by sigsauerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czhase Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Your club sounds like it needs a better understanding of the rule book, and that it is not the RO's job police the sport to the point that is no longer fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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