Racinready300ex Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 If I start a reload and move my foot with out thinking I get a PE per the new rules right? If I know I've got the PE can I just go ahead to the next position while finishing the reload or will that get me additional PE's. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 From what I understand if you've already gained the PE for a action they can't give you more for the same action but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafdov368 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) The way I've thought about this is like a basketball pivot, You can move one foot, but if you lift the second off the ground your gonna get hit for it, but maybe that just my interpretation of the rule. Edited October 11, 2013 by dafdov368 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot gain more than 1 PE per shooting position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 you'd probably be eligible for an additional FTDR if you repeatedly did this.....depending on if the SO likes ya or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Go big or go home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmexicocrawler Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 you can only get one PE per infraction....but if you move to next posistion and gain a lot because of it than you will get a FTDR. best thing to do here is stop finish reload and then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Model19 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I don't think moving a foot is a PE. The rules are not that specific. You cannot move towards the next shooting position, but this is not now a game of "freeze tag" where you can only move your arms to perform the reload and all other body parts must remain frozen in position. As long as you do not high tail it to the next position (as we did in the past when behind cover) you can do the twist, jumping jacks, or deep knee bends while you reload (as long as you do it safely) as far as I care when I'm the SO as long as you stay where you were when you started the reload or ran dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I don't think moving a foot is a PE. The rules are not that specific. Specific? 3.9.4. Advancing or moving while reloading behind cover is defined as either lifting a foot off the ground or sliding a foot along the ground. The shooter may pivot on one foot or move the torso, as long as the pivot foot does not lift or slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 So that rule contradicts itself. Can I not pick up my foot to pivot or can't i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 guess it means one foot "stays put" exactly where it is until reload is finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Both feet stay put. Simple as that. Doing anymore than that may result in a PE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Model19 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I don't think moving a foot is a PE. The rules are not that specific. Specific? 3.9.4. Advancing or moving while reloading behind cover is defined as either lifting a foot off the ground or sliding a foot along the ground. The shooter may pivot on one foot or move the torso, as long as the pivot foot does not lift or slide. \ Oops. That's what I get for reading the early draft version of the new rules before my first cup of coffee was gone. My bad. No twist or jumping jacks allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammerJammer Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 freeze tag... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Somebody's pet peeve turned into the gospel So begins the spiral... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 We shot our first match this past weekend with the new rules. The flat-footed reload is just as annoying as I thought it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I've seen this rule in action, too. It is as dumb as it sounds. Thanks tigers! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Both feet stay put. Simple as that. Doing anymore than that may result in a PE. "The shooter may pivot on one foot or move the torso, as long as the pivot foot does not lift or slide." That seems pretty clear to me that you can move 1 foot, but the other must stay put. However, as usually happens when you try to eradicate the idea of 'freestyle', interpretations may vary by tribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Just based on one match, it appears that one of the big challenges facing the SO team is that for this particular rule, they need to be watching the gun - and the shooter's feet at the same time. I'm of the belief that the primary SO should be focused on the gun. Hard to really expect that person to also consistently watch a shooter's feet. So maybe it's the scorekeeper who watches the shooter's feet. Of course, the score keeper is often watching from a different direction - and may not have an unobstructed view of the gun. It's just a silly rule. And one that's going to be tough to police reliably and consistently. When we start handing out procedurals for this - it's going to quickly become one of our most hated rules. My own personal interpretation - as long the shooter isn't taking obvious steps, I won't be calling anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Fascinating. Having encountered so many SOs who were already fixated on and fascinated by feet and knowing they now have yet another validating perspective to watch them, a cynic would wonder if the IDPA "P" is indeed for "Pistol" and not "Podophiliac" - or perhaps "Procedural".... Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Both feet stay put. Simple as that. Doing anymore than that may result in a PE. "The shooter may pivot on one foot or move the torso, as long as the pivot foot does not lift or slide." That seems pretty clear to me that you can move 1 foot, but the other must stay put. However, as usually happens when you try to eradicate the idea of 'freestyle', interpretations may vary by tribe. Thanks Moto. Maybe my club needs to revise how they're enforcing this rule. 3 weeks ago while reloading, I took a step forward with my right foot w/o my left foot ever moving. Caught myself, stepped back with the right, ate a PE, finished the reload, cursed a few words, finished the CoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammerJammer Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Both feet stay put. Simple as that. Doing anymore than that may result in a PE. "The shooter may pivot on one foot or move the torso, as long as the pivot foot does not lift or slide." That seems pretty clear to me that you can move 1 foot, but the other must stay put. However, as usually happens when you try to eradicate the idea of 'freestyle', interpretations may vary by tribe. Thanks Moto. Maybe my club needs to revise how they're enforcing this rule. 3 weeks ago while reloading, I took a step forward with my right foot w/o my left foot ever moving. Caught myself, stepped back with the right, ate a PE, finished the reload, cursed a few words, finished the CoF. This is rediculous. I know there are people that think that anything that a particular brand does is awesome but how can anyone enjoy this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The tiger teams dropped the ball on this one... sorry... when they get their head out of their ass I'll consider renewing my license.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Both feet stay put. Simple as that. Doing anymore than that may result in a PE. "The shooter may pivot on one foot or move the torso, as long as the pivot foot does not lift or slide." That seems pretty clear to me that you can move 1 foot, but the other must stay put. However, as usually happens when you try to eradicate the idea of 'freestyle', interpretations may vary by tribe. Thanks Moto. Maybe my club needs to revise how they're enforcing this rule. 3 weeks ago while reloading, I took a step forward with my right foot w/o my left foot ever moving. Caught myself, stepped back with the right, ate a PE, finished the reload, cursed a few words, finished the CoF. This is exactly the scenario I fear. Doesn't sound like you gained any advantage by moving that foot. You even lost time by moving your foot back. And then still got a PE. It's this sort of anal interpretation of the rules that threatens to strangle IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Both feet stay put. Simple as that. Doing anymore than that may result in a PE. "The shooter may pivot on one foot or move the torso, as long as the pivot foot does not lift or slide." That seems pretty clear to me that you can move 1 foot, but the other must stay put. However, as usually happens when you try to eradicate the idea of 'freestyle', interpretations may vary by tribe. Thanks Moto. Maybe my club needs to revise how they're enforcing this rule. 3 weeks ago while reloading, I took a step forward with my right foot w/o my left foot ever moving. Caught myself, stepped back with the right, ate a PE, finished the reload, cursed a few words, finished the CoF. This is exactly the scenario I fear. Doesn't sound like you gained any advantage by moving that foot. You even lost time by moving your foot back. And then still got a PE. It's this sort of anal interpretation of the rules that threatens to strangle IDPA. +1,000,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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