felt Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 At a local match yesterday... Unloaded barrel start. Gun pointing down range Starting box, 25 feet, directly down range of your gun, looking down the muzzle. The RO's did not like, because every shooter was forced to sweep themselves as the headed to the free fire zone. But the MD said it was good to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdphotoguy Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Just seems like a dumb idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 What rule set was used for this match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felt Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 What rule set was used for this match? USPSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Everybody was DQ'ed. 10.5.5 Allowing the muzzle of a handgun to point at any part of the competitor’s body during a course of fire (i.e. sweeping). ETA: Post #2 sums it up pretty well... Edited September 16, 2013 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinSC Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Not sure which is worse, that someone thought this was a good idea for a stage, or that the MD said it was good to go. ( and before someone gets their knickers in a twist, we're talking local match here, so I'm guessing the MD was playing the role or RM ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Ok, so I have to agree... if you actually had to walk in front of the muzzle, that was a stupid idea, and illegal due to 10.5.5. However, not to threadjack, but I did shoot a stage at a local match several months ago that required the shooter to start downrange of a loaded gun. The positions were offset lateraly, so the gun never swept a shooter, but I couldnt help but wonder if it was legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felt Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Everybody was DQ'ed. 10.5.5 Allowing the muzzle of a handgun to point at any part of the competitor’s body during a course of fire (i.e. sweeping). ETA: Post #2 sums it up pretty well... Maybe that's why the scores haven't posted yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 If you want to force the shooter uprange at the start signal, make it an unloaded start with all ammo on the table. But what's really the point of making everyone have to go 25' uprange before they can fire a shot? Just seems to serve to separate the fleet-footed from those who are less mobile. 1.1.2 Quality – The value of an USPSA match is determined by the quality of the challenge presented in the course design. Courses of fire must be designed primarily to test a competitor’s USPSA shooting skills, not their physical abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuildSF4 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) As previously stated 'Dumb'. Were they supposed to reset their own targets before the started shooting? Edited for size and spelling... Edited September 16, 2013 by GuildSF4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elftech86 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 It just seems to make more sense to have the shooter start uprange of the gun, during an unloaded start. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 So sweeping one's self with an unloaded gun is safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevepitt Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 What I find the dumbest is all the shooters that complied and went downrange. I'm probably insulting the author of this note. No disrespect intended, but I would have taken a zero on that stage and not shot it! It reminds me of instructors that teach an NRA safety class, go over all the safety rules, then point an unloaded gun at the students for some of the demos. I see it all the time. Steve Pitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 At a local match yesterday... Unloaded barrel start. Gun pointing down range Starting box, 25 feet, directly down range of your gun, looking down the muzzle. The RO's did not like, because every shooter was forced to sweep themselves as the headed to the free fire zone. But the MD said it was good to go? MD cannot make up their own rules or decide a current rule does not apply. 10.5.5 Allowing the muzzle of a handgun to point at any part of the competitor’s body during a course of fire (i.e. sweeping). Standing directly down range of a loaded weapon is just plain stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 At a local match yesterday... Unloaded barrel start. Gun pointing down range Starting box, 25 feet, directly down range of your gun, looking down the muzzle. The RO's did not like, because every shooter was forced to sweep themselves as the headed to the free fire zone. But the MD said it was good to go? MD cannot make up their own rules or decide a current rule does not apply. 10.5.5 Allowing the muzzle of a handgun to point at any part of the competitors body during a course of fire (i.e. sweeping). Standing directly down range of a loaded weapon is just plain stupid! Amen brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 What I find the dumbest is all the shooters that complied and went downrange. what I find dumb is that they weren't dq'd. That is definitely a mandatory dq, no ifs ands or buts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 No RO is going to DQ them when the MD says that there's nothing wrong ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 No RO is going to DQ them when the MD says that there's nothing wrong ..... You're probably right. If I were ROing and lost that argument I would head to BW3's early for beer and wings and let the MD run his own unsafe match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 No RO is going to DQ them when the MD says that there's nothing wrong ..... You're probably right. If I were ROing and lost that argument I would head to BW3's early for beer and wings and let the MD run his own unsafe match. Right on!! If this OP is true, the RO who acted as MD should lose his credentials and the RO's who agreed to run the stage should be suspended for a while. I'm trying to be careful because I just can not believe the story is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The distance between that kind of start position and a good idea is so far that describing it would require more atoms than exist in the visible universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 No RO is going to DQ them when the MD says that there's nothing wrong ..... You sure? I'm not the world's most assertive guy, but I would totally tell the MD there *was* something wrong, and I would explain to the MD and shooters than I would dq anyone who allowed themselves to be swept during the COF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 No RO is going to DQ them when the MD says that there's nothing wrong ..... You're probably right. If I were ROing and lost that argument I would head to BW3's early for beer and wings and let the MD run his own unsafe match. I'd buy you the first beer and a plate of wings Sarge. EVERYBODY should have packed up and refused to shoot the stage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No RO is going to DQ them when the MD says that there's nothing wrong ..... You're probably right. If I were ROing and lost that argument I would head to BW3's early for beer and wings and let the MD run his own unsafe match. I'd buy you the first beer and a plate of wings Sarge. EVERYBODY should have packed up and refused to shoot the stage! Thanks! I swear we seem to hear goofier things every day lately regarding rules. I wonder if it's all true?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 That is just dunce and certainly not a stage I'd consider being part of either as a competitor or as an RO. I'd be taking the zero and in fact if they were planning to go ahead with the stage I'd be excusing myself from the match and going to do something else productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 That is just dunce and certainly not a stage I'd consider being part of either as a competitor or as an RO. I'd be taking the zero and in fact if they were planning to go ahead with the stage I'd be excusing myself from the match and going to do something else productive. +1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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