Nik Habicht Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 If a competitor moves or shifts his gear other than at the direction of a range official? Unsportsman like? Unless specified in the written stage briefing, or unless required by a Range Officer, the position of holsters and allied equipment must not be moved or changed by a competitor during a match. If a retaining strap is attached to a holster or magazine pouch, it must be applied or closed prior to issuance of the "Standby" command Depends. There's typically some unintentional shifting of my mag pouches when I move from one stage to another -- at least there was when I used a shoulder bag. With a backpack, not so much..... So I'm aware that could happen. I've only seen one competitor who tried to game it after initially being corrected, and a stern warning from the RM set him onto the straight and narrow.... (Staff corrected his PD gear position prior to his attempt at the first stage, and he showed up at the second with it out of position again. A kinder, gentler RM set him straight. I've tried to emulate that example where I can -- as in when the shooter hasn't already fired a stage out of compliance....) There's also the whole multi-day match thing -- where the rig clearly comes off in the evening. We're not going to measure with a micrometer, chart and reinspect the next morning, to make sure things are perfectly lined up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 My philosophy of RO ing is pretty simple: Be professional and helpful, expect the same from competitors.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 So, from the attached pics, legal or not legal. The holster and gun did not change, only the tape measure. The picture with the tape measure under the belt is to the closest part of the gun, the mag release, and is 1-7/8". The picture showing the top of the belt is measured from the grip panel to the inner belt and it shows 2-1/4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Grumpy, I assuming that rig's not on you, but sitting somewhere? After taking those measurements, I'd ask you to put it on, and measure again. Assuming nothing changes, my call would be "not a legal rig." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaute Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) This rule probably gets enforced about as much as the "...arms hanging naturally by the sides..." rule, which is not frequently enough. With the exception of those who are new to this "hobby", people either have reading comprehension problems or are trying to cheat. Edited March 31, 2013 by justaute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Grumpy, I assuming that rig's not on you, but sitting somewhere? After taking those measurements, I'd ask you to put it on, and measure again. Assuming nothing changes, my call would be "not a legal rig." Thanks, Nik. I will adjust the rig to make it under 2" at the top. I do appreciate the feedback. Any suggestions on how to make it comply? Edited March 31, 2013 by GrumpyOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I was measured at area7 2012 championship. Gsi international moonclip rack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deacon12224 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Has anybody ever been to a USPSA match where rule 6.2.3 was actually used? I have been to IDPA maches where the competitors had to line up at the first stage and have the equipment checked but I have never seen it at a USPSA match. Considering the issues we had at Nationals this year, wouldn't that be a good idea? 6.2.3 Prior to the commencement of a match, each competitor must declare one Division for score. Match Officials should check holsters and other competitor equipment for compliance with the declared Division prior to the competitor making an attempt at any of the courses of fire. Edited March 31, 2013 by deacon12224 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Not in a "line up and stand for inspection" scenario, but a lot of seasoned ROs I know do a discreet equipment check as the competitor comes to the start position. Ones like....you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Example I have a Manny Star Wars holster for open. If i adjust the holster for my gun to fit with the thumrest installed is the body of the gun is more than 2" from the top of the belt. If I measure to the closest point of the thumbrest attached to the gun the measurement is just at 1/2". I am legal measuring to the thumbrest ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Grumpy, I assuming that rig's not on you, but sitting somewhere? After taking those measurements, I'd ask you to put it on, and measure again. Assuming nothing changes, my call would be "not a legal rig." Thanks, Nik. I will adjust the rig to make it under 2" at the top. I do appreciate the feedback. Any suggestions on how to make it comply? I can't see the pictures really well so I'm not certain what the holster is -- but depending on the attachment, a washer or rubber bumper under the lower attachment point could change the angle of the holster; as could heating and bending Kydex, or attaching a thigh pad to the bottom of the holster..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Grumpy, I assuming that rig's not on you, but sitting somewhere? After taking those measurements, I'd ask you to put it on, and measure again. Assuming nothing changes, my call would be "not a legal rig." Thanks, Nik. I will adjust the rig to make it under 2" at the top. I do appreciate the feedback. Any suggestions on how to make it comply? I can't see the pictures really well so I'm not certain what the holster is -- but depending on the attachment, a washer or rubber bumper under the lower attachment point could change the angle of the holster; as could heating and bending Kydex, or attaching a thigh pad to the bottom of the holster..... Well, heating and bending did not work....I added 3 washers to the lower hanger, and one to the upper. The measurement now at the topis 1-7/8". It is a BladeTech DOH.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Example I have a Manny Star Wars holster for open. If i adjust the holster for my gun to fit with the thumrest installed is the body of the gun is more than 2" from the top of the belt. If I measure to the closest point of the thumbrest attached to the gun the measurement is just at 1/2". I am legal measuring to the thumbrest ? Would love an experienced RO/CRO/RM to answer this question , perhaps get it in writing from NROI Edited March 31, 2013 by cnote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 So would I. Who wants to venture an educated guess on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 So would I. Who wants to venture an educated guess on this one. Thumb rest is attached to the gun, is the nearest body side surface, and is roughly located where the top of the belt is? I'd have to see it to call it, but assuming it could be measured perpendicular to the belt, that could very well fly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It can be measured perpendicular to the belt and falls well within the 2 "allowance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Then I'd most likely call that good..... (Only caveat -- I haven't seen it/measured it in person....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroe3 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 At RO class a few weeks ago I was taught that the closest part of the gun includes any part of the gun, slide racker, thumb rest, safety, or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Ya we were told the sw thing in the to class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I was measured at the last IPSC World Shoot. They tried to put an overlay (2" wide, natch) between my belt and pistol. Rackers and other things hanging off didn't count. So that's how it is in IPSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigG Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 There is a photo of how to measure in the USPSA Rule Book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvb Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Not really. When using the Dropped offset, it is very easy to go over 2". A lot of people need to use washers as shims to get inside the 2". agree. I had to heat/bend my new DOH for my G34 to get w/in the 2". I bet there are a LOT of people running this holster out of the box who never checked and are in violation of the rule. -rvb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo929 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Saw this post is old. Has this rule been updated? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Nope. It's still 2" from the inside of the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapunk Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) I guess my rig is not gamer enough...Maybe that is why I shoot so many Charlies? Edited April 23, 2015 by bobapunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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