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I think I have shot back to back twice when it was at the hogue range. 1st gun was always better, and the second day I was pretty damn tired. I vividly remember, both times, having 3-4 stages left and just wanting it to be over. That's temperamental others mileage may vary.

that is an annoying rub, when you open the cyl all the way does the cyl contact the frame, assuming it does...

Good luck, you will do well regardless but am curious how your time will compare.

which part? about being basically the same regardless of the gun? I mean, you are a alien/mutant so who knows. You are not going to immediately be as good with an auto as you are with a revolver because you are the best in the world with a revolver right now. You aren't are going to beat JJ and max with a 2011 without some serious time, years, spent practicing. I DO think you can definitely classify GM in any division though without to much work... My opinion, this will surely twist some into knots.

word.

I very stupidly and probably arrogantly believed for a (very)brief period I would be at least a little bit "better" shooting an auto. I'm not. With an auto, all the shooting and gun handling is just that much faster across the board, for everyone. You are the shooter you are within a couple percent either way, the division hardly matters.

brake or carb clean, airhose...

I just did these at area 7 3 days ago. 160 bayou/ibeji .357 1.145 COAL 2.9 N320 824 fps for 2, the third over the match chrono was 801. at home prior to match i shot 40+ of these over my chrono and all were 820. hth. I'd start at 2.8 if you load them this short and see what you get. These extract perfect from my gun, in this case was RP headstamps... I went this short because they will fit in a CZ mag and chamber properly....looking for that single load.

This is objectively true in the sense that a) its a double action pull every single time and b). reloading is a whole thing and you need to do it every 8 bangs... Its also objectively false because every division is hard to be competitive in,like really hard, because USPSA is difficult to be really good at.

This is it. Just do this on an endless loop and accept nothing else....

YOU can do .16's.... I'm sure lots of people can, it seems beyond me with a revolver. Maybe the odd .18 on something 5 feet away...

I switched to remington from federal at end of 2015, it works excellent. i have tested federal, rem, speer, winchester and all work fine in my experience. What does not work is starline, amerc, etc..

Ruger could not care less about the competition market. By chance I sat with a Ruger big wig a couple years ago, his position...Ruger's take on all competitive shooting formats is that its not even a "rounding error" for them in terms of volume(being the largest by far) and its pointless for them.

I'm not disagreeing because 2.0 is pretty sporty to say the least, especially over and over again. How are we defining this, is this a shot to shot thing with a guaranteed alpha? at what distance? If you really analyze what jerry is doing, stunningly fast, the difference in the speed is how fast he fires the shot coming off the machaniations of all the gun handling. All the hand speed, getting it out, getting it in, getting it closed, etc...is amazing because he does it so consistently, but the money in the bank is the immediacy with the shot coming off the reload.

I had no creep with that length and load. The only bullets I have messed with so far that slip are .357 copper extremes. Since that post, I switched back to the clays load. 2.5@1.200 COAL and 780 fps, these do not slip but I do size with an EGW U-die. These are accurate and soft like most clays loads are, in that they are not blasty, though after having shot another guys gun at the IRC with a 100% different take on things, everything I thought I believed about this stuff is out the window and I am making changes.

yeah, you are going to be slaughtered on time, shooting a revolver against 30 rd sticks is always a time looser. why bother with all the hassle of shooting major.

I have an early one. It worked out of the box but needed all the same stuff you would do to any N frame to make it work better. Mine is well past 20k rounds, probably 25k by end of next week, now between last year and this, the only thing of note happening on this gun is the Ti coating starting to fail in several chambers.

I practiced today and I had loaded up a small sample of blue bullet .355 bullets at two lengths, 1.170 and 1.185. Over the chrono this was only 5fps difference which I could hardly believe but there it was, they were 840fps and 845fps respectively with a 3.1 drop of titegroup. I did tg because the press was all setup already and have shot enough n320 and tg to know the extrapolations. I also got a sample of the .358 sized blue bullets, at 1.185 with the same 3.1 of TG these went 870fps+ over the chrono, so going up to a full .358 bullet was good for adding a full 30 fps. I didn't fuss shooting these through the CZ to see what the difference was, but these numbers are much closer to what I expect to see from a defacto production load. 3.2 would push the .355 above minor though barely, but 1.17 is to long, so between adding a tenth and dropping down to 1.14 or so would make this load work, though it might cause extraction problems. Either way, both of these loads make ICORE pf. I shot two 6 shot groups(.355 and .358) at a 2" black round paster at 25 yards off a shaky bench in the rain and 4 of 6 out of both were touching holes on the paster and the rest I sent flying trying to get out of rain faster. No matter, these seem to have great accuracy potential, I will be doing some more testing on this part the week out of rain... This load is expectedly snappier than the clays/160 load I have been shooting, but its nothing crazy, more testing needed to know for sure but these definitely work based on initial tests and it seems I will be able to make a load that is 100% interchangable with the CZ's without needing to push the auto up to 138pf to make 128 from the revo...

Yes, it is bouncing back. This has only ever happened to me with brand new Ti cylinders, somewhere in the first several thousands cycles it happens. My theory is that when the ball cut is made, its leaving a slight burr that is in the notch, it is a tiny raised ridge, that when whacked enough when the cylinder stop bounces off the flat side, it eventually bashes that burr back and upward which creates the ridge the cylinder stop jumps over.

You sold me, I ordered a box of these bullets to test. You are describing a defacto production(3.2-3 of tg with a 147 bullet) load that comes in at the same PF as it does in auto's out of a 929 which so far as I know nobody has seen.

100% agreed. Like you are doing, all one needs to do is look at what the field is shooting at Bianchi and find all the bullets are on the low side to see this in full effect right? That is what I seem to have found anyways, i'm sure there are guys shooting heavies but by and large stuff is on the light side, below 135... I have loaded up a bunch of hornady 115 JHP loads based on data I found on Bob Marvels website for 9mm bullseye guns. I have not shot them just yet, no time, but I have high expectations... I have been pondering this for awhile, having a revolver that shoots these lighter bullets better, but what does the load look like and what does the barrel look like, to have it recoil like it does with the heavier bullet. I have done testing with 115 and 124's for ICORE and the gun is way more violent/jumpy than it is with 160's, but that is just initial pass at it. To flatten the gun out it will need enough holes in the barrel and enough powder to make them work.

Anecdotally my gun shoots 358 coated lead bullets the best. It is not readily obvious that getting more fps = more accuracy with heavier bullets either. My gun shoots .358 160g bullets better at 770 fps than at 800-810 fps. I would expect hardly any difference in groups with a 30-40 fps spread but its what I saw. I wish someone would just do all this for me and tell me the answer, there are so many variables.... All things being equal though, I would expect that a load that prints good out of a 9mm auto should be pretty darn good out of these and that doesn't seem to hold. None of my production loads came close to making pf in the revolver....

"Some seem to be" Internet accuracy claims and all that. The only person I know that actually does it with the gun locked down to remove the shooter is Ty. Anyone else putting that much effort in is not saying or sharing either way. One thing that does remain, if you want a factory gun to have any hope of shooting a decent group, you need to recrown.

If I am reading it right, that article pete linked suggests sort of the opposite. Less friction means less pressure means less velocity. So, take bullets of same exact weight, but do lead, coated, plated, jacketed and they will be fastest in that order based on which ones develop highest pressure do to gettting best seal/friction. This is 100% consistent with my anecdotal results having tested alot of different bullets.