lawboy Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I shot a match today. I designed a stage for the match. I used 11 metric targets, six mini poppers and 1 steel plate. Two of my metric targets had a 1.5-inch-wide strip of hard cover vertically down the center of the main A zone and lower C and D zones. I arrived today at the match and was somberly informed by the more experienced designers who run the match, that the target design was, shall I say, a poor one. I was told it would "never be allowed at a level 2 match." I was told to "think about the new shooters." I was told it is a "bs target design." My responses were that the targets were 12- and 23-foot shots, and that the targets test a shooters control of their sight picture/ target alignment at speed. This entire exchange bothered me because I LIKE these targets but I recognize that I might be wrong about their validity. I'd like to hear from a broader USPSA audience. Below are photos of both targets in the stage. You can plainly see the limit lines defining how close you can get to each target. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I like it. With the limited resources available to many clubs, that type of variety "that wouldn't be allowed..." help to keep the local matches interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman711 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Don't know how legal it is but looks like fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) More than 25% of the lower A zone is available. And, the entire upper A is available. IMO, legal. Some people just don't like different. I do though. edited for clarity. Edited February 13, 2012 by a.roberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroe3 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I also like it. You're making a presentation that stimulates thought and an atypical response. Bad guys aren't know for intelligence so a tether ball pole might make sense for hard cover in a pinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidnal Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 +1 looks fine to me. Different can be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 this is legal. my son did this at NCPS and I shot the black stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 hey Bart I did not know this was you. my son is Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawboy Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) hey Bart I did not know this was you. my son is Dan Aaah. I thought that might be the case, what with the name and NCPS. Edited February 13, 2012 by lawboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI5-O Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Looks good to me, different but good to go. We have a guy at our club that likes to do these different targets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 actually have to slow down and aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Antichrome Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Didja tell the whiner that it really only amounts to a .7" wide stripe that wouldnt get scored? (assuming he's shooting .40) Nice stage, good idea, and perfect 'legal' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbrooks Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Looks legal to me and would enjoy the challenges it presents.Nice job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j0n Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Great idea, totally legal. I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidoff Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 At least three people on my squad (myself included) put a round right in the middle of the stripe on on of those targets today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Evil, but legal. 4.2.4.3 By painting or taping the portion of the target deemed to be hidden by hard cover a single and visibly contrasting color. 4.2.5 Hard Cover (and overlapping no-shoots) must not completely hide the highest scoring zone on a partially hidden paper target. The minimum requirements are specified in Appendix B. Just tell them it's a guy standing behind a B-Pillar. The only problem I see is consistence, and that can be dealt with. JT Edited February 13, 2012 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I like it. A lot. And yeah, definitely legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Tell them to read the current rules and get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoleroJesse Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Inquire about there their gender and tell them to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee King Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 When I put a stage together where I'm not sure about legality, I look it up before it ever goes to ground. Then when I get those comments I respond with "show me the rules". I feel like if they can challenge me on them they can read them themselves. I'm open to being wrong (and have been frequently). But shooter's are as responsible to know the rules as any other match official. In fact, in my next match I plan to have a steel no shoot in front of a texas star. I expect to get "there's no scoring border. that's not legal". My response will be "show me that in the rules". But I have also checked 4.1.3 myself and know the answer before they do. I feel like they can look it up and learn something themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Let them complain. We all have to shoot the same stages. Tell them to practice more complain less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Targets look fine to me. Stand your ground, ask them to cite the rule they violate, and keep designing interesting stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserb Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Too make it more interesting next time alternate the 1.5" wide strip down the left side and right side of the a-zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I ran the all blacked out but the a-zone target at a Level-III match. Actually, the whole stage was 15 or so of those targets. Our local MD ran your stripe at our Level-I match...except he had more than one stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee King Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I ran the all blacked out but the a-zone target at a Level-III match. Actually, the whole stage was 15 or so of those targets. Our local MD ran your stripe at our Level-I match...except he had more than one stripe. You just gave me an evil idea. One stripe down the center of the a zone. 1 stripe in the C zone on each side along the A perf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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