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What even.

I know people said use your trigger finger but I could never make that feel right. However, using my middle finger has worked well for me over the years.

All this thread tells me is that you can't ever make everyone happy but I think we all know that. This rule is to help ensure that the people who support these clubs weekly get a shot at competing with their fellow statesmen in the state championship.

Thanks man. I try to run a tight ship but sometimes things go amok. Having fun is all that matters!

A+ Match. Would work again.

I may have missed this but; What time do we start Friday?

Has anyone considered using a steel no shoot on stage 10 to prevent potential REF issues?

Score first, ask questions later.

No they may not. At least not if it's a USPSA match.

An RO's job is stage management which includes, but is not limited to, making sure no non-targets get perforated.

If you weigh your gun with an empty mag, which weight is correct? The manufacturer or the production list? If the latter, I'd send that in and ask for a reevaluation.

The weight listed for the Productions numbers and the way the gun is weighed is definitely with an empty mag.

That's only 3 hours. I've done that for 4 days in a row for a major match I worked.

I'm more concerned that you guys shoot with people that you don't trust enough to go uprange of them while they're holstered AND under direct RO supervision.

Correct.

I don't quite understand why this thread exists.

I agree that if you can see it you can shoot it. That still doesn't mean you don't have to activate an activator, whether it exposes the (already obviously exposed) target or not. That's my understanding, at least.

I understand what you're saying, however, this completely negates 9.9.3 doesn't it?

Yes. It says "always" which means unless you activate it during the course of fire, you will get 2M/1P It doesn't say you have to activate it before you shoot it (Unless in a level 1 if specified as per 9.9.4), just that you have to activate it. The target that moved was a no-shoot but didn't have to move to expose the shoot target....... 9.9.3 also references NS which move to expose a shoot target. the same 2m/1p apply in that case as well.

When you read 993 and 994 together they don't seem to support that you can activate after you shot them. 9.9.4 doesn't apply if this is a level 2 match. Yes. It says "always" which means unless you activate it during the course of fire, you will get 2M/1P It doesn't say you have to activate it before you shoot it (Unless in a level 1 if specified as per 9.9.4), just that you have to activate it.

I always have a bit of tape on me, even as a CRO. I'll even sometimes tape the last few targets I score (after the shooter has reviewed them) and/or set steel to hurry things along. Personally if you refuse to tape a target because "that's the squad's responsibility," you're just being a pompous ass. No offense, of course.

I think what he's saying is that the RM's opinion was that the E didn't F until after he engaged the target. I find that hard to prove and "because there were two hits on the target" is the worst of all ways to prove it.

If you shoot a target stick and it breaks and you still have to engage the target again but it has moved due to the broken stick, is that REF or not? My opinion is yes. The sticks are, for all intents and purposes, not there. Invisible. The target should be floating in mid air. Any action or inaction by anyone (the shooter or not) should not disrupt the presentation of the target. If there is any sort of disruption in the target presentation before or during engagement, to me, the range equipment (sticks) have failed. However, you did the right thing by continuing the course of fire. On the clock is not the time to get into a rules discussion with an RO. You should work on your reshoot negotiation skills. PS, the rules and ability to complete a COF that is the same as the guy before you and the guy after you is for everyone including middle of the pack A shooters. Fair is fair.

This is one of those "shit happens" moments, I think. You can't control where you are in a match. If you're on lunch break and everyone else is shooting bagged targets then they get unbagged, everyone but your squad has shot bagged targets. That's no one's fault. The same argument can be made about multiple day matches where there's perfect weather on one day and horrendous downpours the next.

Exactly right, Trace. I sent these pictures to Amidon years ago. I don't remember his answer but it was questionable. I was also told by Ray that Amidon gave them the okay.I don't think it's worth the risk. It's externally visible. Period. If you say otherwise then you're simply blind or in denial. And no, it doesn't matter what DNROI's opinion is unless it's voted upon and published.