Joe Robinson Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 i am shooting a sti stinger in 9mm major. i load 9.2 gr of hs-6 at 1.163 gives me a pf of 170. also use vvn350 to make major just do not havce the data at work with me right now will poast it later. no presure sighns like the way it shoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhurd Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Going to be new to the "Shorty" darkside but want to know why JHPs instead of FMJs????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 i load 9.2 gr of hs-6 at 1.163 gives me a pf of 170 Warlock, I've been looking at HS6 as a possibility. What are you using for the rest of your components? (Primers & bullets?) Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Going to be new to the "Shorty" darkside but want to know why JHPs instead of FMJs????? Two reasons I'm going to be using 'em: No lead. More bullet in the case for the same OAL as a FMJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 the lead used inside fmj's is extremely soft it is pure lead not a hardened alloy. This lead melts quickly. I actually was getting more leading off of fmj's than I am shooting lead alloy bullets. The other reason I feel is that they break up quicker on the closer steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Robinson Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 sorry about that mg 124 cmj , mixed cases and winchester small rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhurd Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 One more question then I will go back to lurking has anyone tried the 121 IFP from Montana Gold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Robinson Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 kingman just seen you 9mm major gun on the gallery thred. does the barrel ports help the gun shoot flatter. how much more did you have to bump up your powder to make major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralChang Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Warlock, No pressure signs at all from that load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I was shooting about 173 pf before shooting about 170 now. So did not change the charge at all. I think I lost about 50 fps or so. I was shooting 115's at 1520 now 115s at 1480 or so. Forgott to ad, the ports kick arse. They are the best thing I have ever tried doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Robinson Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 general chang ther was a little ridge around the firring pin indent but no other singhs no flattin primers. every body i showd the casses to said evey thing was ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEETERSMARC Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Here the test of the STI STINGER in 9 Major with load info : STINGER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkbrd Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Well I made the jump to Open and have been playing with 9major loads. I am not an open gun pro, so I dont have lots of experiance with dot movement and what is perfect. Note: These loads are in my gun over my chrono using my scale and are for starting information only. If you dont know what you are doing and dont own a crono start way low and Slowly work up loads in your gun. Note 2: Inspect used 9mm cases carefully. had a case head seperation due to a cracked used military case while working up loads. All loads are with 125gr. Zero JHP @ 1.16", Winchester small rifle primers, mixed batch fired cases, Bedell shorty with 2 blow holes, averages of 5ea. 12 shot groups. 8.00gr. True Blue Vel=1347, PF=168.4, SD=13-15 @ 65F Some pressure signs, primers flat but not top hating, leaves dirty grit like sand in gun. 8.28gr. True Blue Vel=1368, PF=171.0, SD=9-17 @ 65F Bad pressure signs, primers top hating with a couple removing themselves from case, snappy worked comp well, gritty, easy to load due to lots of room in case, gave up due to pressure to high to be safe loading short in my gun. 8.15gr. Silhouette Vel=1384, PF=173.0, SD=7-8 @ 65F Pressure OK slightly more than Power Pistol @ same PF, dot wiggles sideways vs smooth up and down, bullet just touches powder in case. 8.00gr. Silhouette Vel=1358, PF=169.7, SD=7-14 @ 70F Load feels like cheap version of VV 3N37, Snappier in palm at same PF than PP but cleaner with less blast and more accurate. #2 load tried. 8.10gr. Power Pistol Vel=1341, PF=167.6, SD=28-41 @ 65F Softest load with good up and down dot track, in your face hot air blast, leaves pink residue all over gun and cmore lens, SD sucks. 8.20gr. Power Pistol Vel=1325, PF=165.7, SD=41-52 @ 60F Added 1/10th gr. and PF went down with slight temp drop???, Soft on hand, good smooth up and down dot track, compressed charge but easy to load as its a flake that stays in case. Had spectacular case head seperation but does not seem linked to overpressure as all primers looked OK, see wonderful mixed cases. 8.30gr. Power Pistol Vel=1332, PF=166.5, SD=46-53 @ 55F Power factor not going up much with extra powder, standard deviation sucks and is getting worse with increased charges while still is not safe to chrono major in a big match, smoky blast at 55F with lots of pinkish residue all over gun, compressed charge but still easy to load no extra seating pressure noted, pressure still looks OK with primers looking factory. 8.10gr. 3N37 Vel=1352, PF=169.0, SD=6-8 @ 55F Worked comp well, slightly compressed load but still easy to load at 3/16 below case mouth no seating problems like bulkier powders, easy on hand, nice mix of quickness but softer with better dot track than Silhouette. Easy first place and my choice for matches even though its pricy and iffy to find. As always these are my loads in my gun, you should not trust my scale and reduce loads to work up in your gun using a chronograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 (edited) Just got it in the mail this morning from BrianH. 9-Major 5" KKM Barrel (No ports) with 4 port Ti Comp I liked the Silhouete and it worked up in power factor nicely. It's dense, the 8.4g fit in the case with room for the 115. The 115's feel a little softer in the back of my hand than the 124's. My thanks to everyone who posted data. It helped get me started with out wasting a lot of time. Everyone's efforts are appreciated. Edited June 9, 2005 by .40AET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctgun Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 New 9 Major load data Just got back from the range a little while ago. These loads are from my gun over my chrono (Open Glock 17 with KKM comp barrel) Just thought I would post my results. I would not have known where to start if it wasn't for the info that I got from this thread. 7.5gr. of True Blue over 125 gr Montana Gold JHP Velocity fps 1359 - 1342 - 1346 - 1343 - 1347 - 1347 - 1345 - 1332 - 1349 Average Power Factor: 168 7.7 gr of True Blue Velocity fps 1363 - 1364 - 1373 -1388 -1372 - 1365 Average Power Factor: 171 8.0 gr of True Blue Velocity fps 1400 - 1404 - 1395 - 1408 - 1412 - 1416 - 1407 - 1437 - 1402 - 1416 Average Power Factor: 176 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan & Jan's Customs Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Just about to get my 9mm shorty finished and I was wondering about brass. Is using once fired good enough with no problems or is everyone recommending new +P stuff. New +P would definetly negate the price advantage of not shooting a .38 super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Just about to get my 9mm shorty finished and I was wondering about brass. Is using once fired good enough with no problems or is everyone recommending new +P stuff. New +P would definetly negate the price advantage of not shooting a .38 super. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Once fired is good enough... better than good enough, actually, 'cause it's so damned cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Thought I would add some data for major 9 in a Glock platform where you need to load a little shorter for mag fit reasons. This is 9x21, but that makes no difference over a chrono compared to stuffing the same recipe in a case 2 mm shorter. Interestingly, the pressure will probably be just a tad lower due to the reduced neck release tension in a 9x19 case. These recipes use WW540 and with proper testing, HS6 can substitute. As always YMMV and always reduce any published load data by 5-10% and work it back up over a chrono, in your gun, carefully. NOTE: This is a very short OAL and is used strictly for magazine fit reasons. You should always load as long as "YOUR" magazines and bullet choice will allow. Firearm: Glock 17L Caliber: 9x21 bbl = 6.25" with 4 ports Muz. Vel's.: 1350.0, 1345.0, 1344.0, 1323.0, 1341.0 Ave.:1340.6 AD:7.0 SD:10.4 95%:14.4 H:1350 L:1323 ES:27 Remington 124 grain Golden Sabre JHP .355" diameter WW 540 Powder 8.5 grains StarLine 9x21 Federal SP Primers 1.135" OAL ********************************************* Firearm: Glock 17L Caliber: 9x21 bbl = 6.25" with 4 ports Muz. Vel's.: 1346.0, 1387.0, 1366.0, 1371.0 Ave.:1367.5 AD:11.5 SD:16.9 95%:31.0 H:1387 L:1346 ES:41 Remington 124 grain Golden Sabre JHP .355" diameter WW 540 Powder 8.6 grains StarLine 9x21 Federal SP Primers 1.135" OAL ********************************************* Firearm: Glock 17L Caliber: 9x21 bbl = 6.25" with 4 ports Muz. Vel's.: 1416.0, 1393.0, 1398.0, 1414.0, 1396.0 Ave.:1403.4 AD:9.3 SD:10.8 95%:15.0 H:1416 L:1393 ES:23 Remington 124 grain Golden Sabre JHP .355" diameter WW 540 Powder 8.8 grains StarLine 9x21 Federal SP Primers 1.135" OAL ********************************************* Firearm: Glock 17L Caliber: 9x21 bbl = 6.25" with 4 ports Muz. Vel's.: 1410.0, 1426.0, 1418.0, 1429.0, 1436.0 Ave.:1423.8 AD:7.8 SD:10.1 95%:14.0 H:1436 L:1410 ES:26 Remington 124 grain Golden Sabre JHP .355" diameter WW 540 Powder 8.9 grains StarLine 9x21 Federal SP Primers 1.135" OAL -- Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 NOTE: This is a very short OAL and is used strictly for magazine fit reasons. You should always load as long as "YOUR" magazines and bullet choice will allow. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Geoff, don't know if you've tried loading longer, but my new G17 mags will feed 9x19 loaded with Zero 125 JHPs at 1.155" without problems. There's still a good amount of space between the bullet tip and the front of the tube. Just thought I'd let y'all know... but Geoff's disclaimer quoted above is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Hi Cullen, My reason is unique due to the extended basepads (Taylor Freelance) and the specific JHP I use. 17 rounders, no problemo at 1.155" OAL. Add a +11 basepad and they don't fit into the base unless they are under 1.140". A very specific solution to my setup. I could use a RN with a different ogive, but I want to use the JHP. It's the JHP ogive and the radius in the corners of the basepads that causes the problems widthwise, not lengthwise. And hogging out the Delrin in the corners is a lost cause with the tooling at my disposal. -- Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Crum Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Hi all First time to post here. I have been shooting all my life and reloading on a dillon 650 for a while. My reloading has always been to make the 125 pf in IDPA. I started to shoot USPSA recently with a .40 limited Para Ord------------bought an open gun in 9X21 last weekend. Using the info on this thread I worked up to an 8 gr. load of True Blue, using 124 gr. Berrys bullets in both the 9mm and 9X21 brass. The primers are flattenned, but no other problems. I am using 9MM brass-----9X21 starline. I can see no problems with either. Does anyone else shoot 9mm brass in a 9X21? So far in my pistol I am not getting the velocities others seem to be getting and am not wanting to increase powder any more. I am in the high 12 to low 13 range. the deviation seems excessive going from a low of 917 to a high of 1354. Any help would be appreciated. Ray Crum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Hi Ray, You can, but I would not shoot 9x19 brass in a 9x21 chamber at 165+ PF. At lower pressures it will work fine but I wouldn't do it long term as the case is hanging by the extractor while the primer is being hammered. This drives the case forward a little, then blowback slaps the casehead back against the breechface as the pressure peak hits and seals the case after it had been sliding against the chamber walls under pressure. Not good longterm, even at lower pressure. The ES you are getting is weird, try HS6 if you are loading short for a Glock, or AA7 if you are loading long for a gubmint model. I don't use the VV powders, but they are great for this caliber when you can load to 1.12sumthin plus OAL. Someone else can pipe in here on a VV powder choice. Another thing to check is to be sure you aren't crimping the snot out of them which can also throw the velocity outa whack. BTW, flattened primers at 8 grains under a 124 without getting solidly over 1350fps says to me that you may want to re-think powder choice, or OAL on this one. -- Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Hi Cullen,My reason is unique due to the extended basepads (Taylor Freelance) and the specific JHP I use. 17 rounders, no problemo at 1.155" OAL. Add a +11 basepad and they don't fit into the base unless they are under 1.140". A very specific solution to my setup. I could use a RN with a different ogive, but I want to use the JHP. It's the JHP ogive and the radius in the corners of the basepads that causes the problems widthwise, not lengthwise. And hogging out the Delrin in the corners is a lost cause with the tooling at my disposal. -- Regards, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "I see" said the blind man. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 as he picked up his hammer and saw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Crum Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 George Thanks for taking the time to reply. I did not knoe why the 9X19 shot in the 9X21 before. I appreciate the info. My accuracy went to hell as I got to my max with TB also. I got some HS 6 today and will try it tomorrow. Crimp shouldn't be a problem, I don't need one, the bullet just goes into the case and I cannot push it in or turn it with my fingers. Maybe I should lightly crimp, do you? The guy that sold me the gun said 8.4 of HS6 under a 124 was his pet load in this. I'll report back if I still have fingers. :>) Thanks again Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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