New Forum Category - 9mm Major?

[Hi-Power Jack]

I just waded thru two years of old postings to find

an answer to a question ( how many grains of HS6 do

you need to get a 125 gr MG to Major?) - found the

answer,

BUT,

Wish I didn't have to wade thru all the 9mm minor

questions to find it - would have made the search

a LOT SHORTER.

Is it tough to split the two - totally different

animals, really.

Just a thought for the moderators.

Jack

[Rolex]

May be a lot of work for any past post. But

+1 for the change in the future.

[98sr20ve]

If this will help keep 9 Major brass out of my 9 Minor brass I'm all for it.

Edited September 9, 2010 by 98sr20ve

[Singlestack]

It would be a ton of work trying to separate the two out.

[Rob Tompkins]

I'd suggest do a split from now on going forward. Individual thread starters of old threads could (if they wanted) just post a link to the old thredd in the new catagory. Or, if you found a good thread in the old group you could post a link.

I think we'd quickly capture the most popular / useful data in the new category.

That's by $0.02.

[G-ManBart]

No offense to HPJ, but that search should have taken all of two minutes. The only way this makes sense would be to break out all the various 9s and 38s into their own sub-forums, and that would be a mountain of works for the Mods, who already work hard enough.

Obviously, it's just my opinion, but I think this is one of the times when the forum members need to learn how to use the search function better, rather that put more of a workload on the Mods. R,

Edit to add: I think it's sort of funny that the thread directly under this one, has a whole bunch of HS6 loads and would have answered the OP's question...no need to search at all, and it's the first reply if you put "HS6" in the search window.

Edited September 9, 2010 by G-ManBart

[DyNo!]

I'd suggest do a split from now on going forward. Individual thread starters of old threads could (if they wanted) just post a link to the old thredd in the new catagory. Or, if you found a good thread in the old group you could post a link.

I think we'd quickly capture the most popular / useful data in the new category.

That's by $0.02.

I agree.

[Rob Tompkins]

No offense to HPJ, but that search should have taken all of two minutes. The only way this makes sense would be to break out all the various 9s and 38s into their own sub-forums, and that would be a mountain of works for the Mods, who already work hard enough.

Obviously, it's just my opinion, but I think this is one of the times when the forum members need to learn how to use the search function better, rather that put more of a workload on the Mods. R,

Edit to add: I think it's sort of funny that the thread directly under this one, has a whole bunch of HS6 loads and would have answered the OP's question...no need to search at all, and it's the first reply if you put "HS6" in the search window.

I submit not all searches are so simple. What if you used HS-6 or HS 6? how about 125, 125gr, 125 gr, 125 grain? People use abbreviations, or slang, or alternative terms.

For example "silhouette 125 major" turns up several pages of threads, many with several pages of discussion. It takes time to go through all that info. A more detailed set of search terms would narrow the result, but possibly missing the sought after information, leading to the posting of a question asked and answered, getting the "asked, answered, use the search function" reply.

Don't get me wrong, people should use the search function, but in a free form world like this forum, there is a good deal of "luck" in guessing what terms could / would have been used. Sometimes you get lucky and the result you want pop's right up, sometimes not.

And its not just about searching but also browsing. Discussion of USPSA and IDPA are separate not for searching but for browsing. If you want to see what's going on in one game you don't want to sift through all the chatter about the other.

I don't think anyone is asking (I know I'm not) the mod's to go sort through 1000's of threads, just create a new category for people to post and through natural evolution, migrate data over, allowing more focused browsing, and possibly more effective searches.

[Jman]

H.P.J.

Yes, I agree it can be frustrating to find what you want sometimes. But if it's real hard to do, we're probably doing something wrong.

Try this search string in the advanced search box (looks like a little gear in the upper right corner) and see if it doesn't narrow your results.

+HS*6 +9mm +major in the 9mm/38 Caliber sub-forum.

The string is "spaced" like this. +HS*6[space]+9mm[space]+major and that's important.

You should see 71 very pertinent results.

Good hunting!

Edited September 9, 2010 by Jman

[BigTinVA]

Google advanced search is also very helpful for returning specific results when the board search function is too broad. Give it a try.

http://www.google.com/advanced_search

Make sure to put http://www.brianenos.com/forums into the site or domain field.

Edited September 9, 2010 by BigTinVA

[CocoBolo]

I'm all for separating 9 major and 38 Super from regular 9. The amount of work is what ever they decide to do but going forward it might keep some Noobs from blowing up their gun. And end some confusing posts that mix 38 super and 9 major.

I've had mixed luck with search and maybe I just need to take a lot of time to study the search options but I think its a little weak when it comes to focusing in on very particular stuff. Of course if you know exactly how it was posted you have better results. Such as HS-6 vs HS6 or HS 6 etc.

[98sr20ve]

H.P.J.

Yes, I agree it can be frustrating to find what you want sometimes. But if it's real hard to do, we're probably doing something wrong.

Try this search string in the advanced search box (looks like a little gear in the upper right corner) and see if it doesn't narrow your results.

+HS*6 +9mm +major in the 9mm/38 Caliber sub-forum.

The string is "spaced" like this. +HS*6[space]+9mm[space]+major and that's important.

You should see 71 very pertinent results.

Good hunting!

So what is that string saying vs just "HS-6 + 9mm + major"

[waynes_world_45]

So what was the answer???? so I dont have to search no, seriously!! 8.0 grains or so?

I just waded thru two years of old postings to find

an answer to a question ( how many grains of HS6 do

you need to get a 125 gr MG to Major?) - found the

answer,

BUT,

Wish I didn't have to wade thru all the 9mm minor

questions to find it - would have made the search

a LOT SHORTER.

Is it tough to split the two - totally different

animals, really.

Just a thought for the moderators.

Jack

[G-ManBart]

No offense to HPJ, but that search should have taken all of two minutes. The only way this makes sense would be to break out all the various 9s and 38s into their own sub-forums, and that would be a mountain of works for the Mods, who already work hard enough.

Obviously, it's just my opinion, but I think this is one of the times when the forum members need to learn how to use the search function better, rather that put more of a workload on the Mods. R,

Edit to add: I think it's sort of funny that the thread directly under this one, has a whole bunch of HS6 loads and would have answered the OP's question...no need to search at all, and it's the first reply if you put "HS6" in the search window.

I submit not all searches are so simple. What if you used HS-6 or HS 6? how about 125, 125gr, 125 gr, 125 grain? People use abbreviations, or slang, or alternative terms.

For example "silhouette 125 major" turns up several pages of threads, many with several pages of discussion. It takes time to go through all that info. A more detailed set of search terms would narrow the result, but possibly missing the sought after information, leading to the posting of a question asked and answered, getting the "asked, answered, use the search function" reply.

Don't get me wrong, people should use the search function, but in a free form world like this forum, there is a good deal of "luck" in guessing what terms could / would have been used. Sometimes you get lucky and the result you want pop's right up, sometimes not.

And its not just about searching but also browsing. Discussion of USPSA and IDPA are separate not for searching but for browsing. If you want to see what's going on in one game you don't want to sift through all the chatter about the other.

I don't think anyone is asking (I know I'm not) the mod's to go sort through 1000's of threads, just create a new category for people to post and through natural evolution, migrate data over, allowing more focused browsing, and possibly more effective searches.

No, all searches won't be so simple, but rarely are they so hard that I can't find what I'm looking for within a few minutes. It happens in every sub-forum here...people ask the same question over and over, when the answer was a line or two down, or it's easy to pull up in search, but it's obvious they didn't.

You may not be suggesting splitting and migrating the old posts, but it's not clear what the OP had in mind. If he wasn't suggesting migrating the old threads, a new forum won't be helpful for a long time because it'd be empty (without a bunch of work for the Mods). That would mean asking the same old question in the new forum, and having someone go find it in the old/combined forum and pointing them to it, and hopefully getting a Mod to move it to the new forum. What about those topics that cover both?...like, can I use small rifle primers in my 9 Major and .38 Super guns?

It doesn't really matter to me, but I think it might mean a bunch of work for the Mods (with or without migrating threads). R,

[sidnal]

I'd suggest do a split from now on going forward. Individual thread starters of old threads could (if they wanted) just post a link to the old thredd in the new catagory. Or, if you found a good thread in the old group you could post a link.

I think we'd quickly capture the most popular / useful data in the new category.

That's by $0.02.

I agree.

+2

It would be helpful to split 9/38 into multiple threads. I'd like to see 9 minor, 9 major, 38 super and maybe 38 special?. If I'm looking for production info the Open info is cumbersome. As a 9-open shooter it would be helpful to have this information separated. On a go forward basis only...

Edited September 9, 2010 by sidnal

[Rob Tompkins]

No, all searches won't be so simple, but rarely are they so hard that I can't find what I'm looking for within a few minutes. It happens in every sub-forum here...people ask the same question over and over, when the answer was a line or two down, or it's easy to pull up in search, but it's obvious they didn't.

You may not be suggesting splitting and migrating the old posts, but it's not clear what the OP had in mind. If he wasn't suggesting migrating the old threads, a new forum won't be helpful for a long time because it'd be empty (without a bunch of work for the Mods). That would mean asking the same old question in the new forum, and having someone go find it in the old/combined forum and pointing them to it, and hopefully getting a Mod to move it to the new forum. What about those topics that cover both?...like, can I use small rifle primers in my 9 Major and .38 Super guns?

It doesn't really matter to me, but I think it might mean a bunch of work for the Mods (with or without migrating threads). R,

True. Either way I'm thankful we have this resource available.

[MoNsTeR]

For anyone saying the search should be easy: have you actually tried the new forum search very much? It sucks. It takes a preposterous amount of time to get answers to even the simplest questions.

I sympathize totally with the thread starter and whole-heartedly endorse separating Major and Minor discussions.

[D.Hayden]

I can se why you wouldn't split the old posts.. but new posts would make sense.

I always thought so more for 38 vs 9MM - just becuase they're close to the same diameter.. they're totaly different

Just like 38 Super And 38 Special

[wide45]

Not in favor of splitting. You can't have a forum for every different thing.

This part of the forums works about as well as you can expect. It would be perfect, if everyone would search before starting a new topic.

Since so few search, starting a new forum would spread the damage further. Expecting a new forum to fix the problem is unrealistic.

[benos]

I just pinned a Topic that should help with this.

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[Jman]

H.P.J.

Yes, I agree it can be frustrating to find what you want sometimes. But if it's real hard to do, we're probably doing something wrong.

Try this search string in the advanced search box (looks like a little gear in the upper right corner) and see if it doesn't narrow your results.

+HS*6 +9mm +major in the 9mm/38 Caliber sub-forum.

The string is "spaced" like this. +HS*6[space]+9mm[space]+major and that's important.

You should see 71 very pertinent results.

Good hunting!

So what is that string saying vs just "HS-6 + 9mm + major"

A whole bunch actually but as to the what and whys...beats me.

Typing in your example HS-6 + 9mm + major shows no results. But, that's due to the use of a hyphen (-) and not the wild-card asterisk (*).

All this goes to reinforce my original point. If you find searching for things here to hard, you are probably searching wrong to begin with.

If I can anyone of U's can

[Hi-Power Jack]

So what was the answer???? so I dont have to search no, seriously!! 8.0 grains or so?

I just waded thru two years of old postings to find

an answer to a question ( how many grains of HS6 do

you need to get a 125 gr MG to Major?) - found the

answer,

Jack

Yes, about 7.8 - 8.0 grains - thought I'd start with 7.8.

Jack

[Hi-Power Jack]

I'd suggest do a split from now on going forward. Individual thread starters of old threads could (if they wanted) just post a link to the old thredd in the new catagory. Or, if you found a good thread in the old group you could post a link.

I think we'd quickly capture the most popular / useful data in the new category.

That's by $0.02.

I agree.

Sounds like a good approach. Jack

[XD Niner]

I'd suggest do a split from now on going forward. Individual thread starters of old threads could (if they wanted) just post a link to the old thredd in the new catagory. Or, if you found a good thread in the old group you could post a link.

I think we'd quickly capture the most popular / useful data in the new category.

That's by $0.02.

I agree.

Sounds like a good approach. Jack

+1. 9mm really deserves its own area now.

[Jman]

Yes, about 7.8 - 8.0 grains - thought I'd start with 7.8.

Jack

ditto