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CZs are kinda sorta stroked from the factory in the sense they all come with buffers. just remove the buffer, that gets you about 1/8 inch more travel. for a shadow 2, personally I just keep in the buffer. for a TSO, I've never known anybody to use it, 40 destroys it in about 200 rounds. TSO no buffer, kinda stroked. going beyond this - what will this gain you? if you think there will be no "bottom out" that's not true. it will simply go further back and then bottom out. if its slide to frame, or slide only stopping on the spring, or whatever possible scenario, a 40 SW is going to rocket that slide back and its going to come to a slam-stop on "something". your gun will bottom out at the end of the recoil, stroking doesn't solve that. Stroking will change the feel of recoil, timing, and change or aid in feeding and ejection. If you want to stroke your TSO for recoil management reasons you are wasting your time. you would be better off tuning custom 40 loads (have you tried 200 grain 40? its AMAZING) and if necessary mounting a thumb rest. if not stock, I recommend Fire4Effect large.

either see if somebody can re-mill it as is, or primary sells a slide milled ready to go out of the box. you may just have to buy a new slide. highly recommend you get an RMR cut to run holosun or trijicon. if you can like a SRO, RMR, 407, etc then you need to stop shooting CO division lol there's the Romeo and c more, etc for open shooters and X5 lovers.... but for the rest of us....

13 pound. especially in this period where we are shooting anything we can get our hands on. I used to run 11.5 with tuned ammo 100%. 11.5 is still fine a lot of the time, maybe like 80-90%. enough light strikes it was an issue, went back to 13. For your SA pull, barely a perceivable difference. may add about a pound or so to your DA pull. but still way better than stock (15-17 pounds?)

for an S2 specifically, you can get a dang good trigger with just a cajun light TRS, floating pin, extended firing pin/ spring, and a light hammer. 11.5 or 13 pound. I just got 2 guns fully cajuned and tis diminishing returns for sure. honestly, the stock gun with just some springs had a LIGHTER trigger by far. What a full cajun is going to give you is the hammer has a more defined wall. glass break. Stock hammer has some slight mush. this is really splitting hairs. next big upgrade is the reduced reach and short reset. that's personal opinion on how far the DA pull is, honestly, probably doesn't make much of a difference. short reset, we all like that. net net is, the stock S2 is pretty dang good. if you want to spend 350-400 for a full cajun kit, go ahead but its like buying a 12 versus 18 versus 20+ year scotch. the dollars do up exponentially, the juice is only marginally better.

for an S2, Tara base pads and CZC or Grams follower kit, after break-in in, 23+1

Yes. pin still in gun. its still in now. the pin was worn to the point it went flat and no longer held the bushing. I have pics.

Yes. pin still in gun. its still in now. the pin was worn to the point it went flat and no longer held the bushing. I have pics.

you have a CZ75 that is shooting 6-7 inches at 25 yards? surely not bench rested? mechanically the gun should be all east 2x as good as that from the factory.

part of this is just the fun factor. Borrow a CO rig and shoot a match. it may just click. but FACT - its significantly faster. ruling out mag capacity and stage planning, just on a short round drill, you will notice you may screw up less with a dot. for example, on a very far small piece of steel, its way easier to snipe it with a dot gun. when you put that into a match scenario, it just amounts to either less time or less screw ups - easier. and that's going to add up. NOW - add in faster stage plans and high capacity is when you hit the gas and GO! As for standing 7-10 yards on an open target and double tapping, less perceptible difference. its a fact a dot is 1 focal plane versus 3 and is easier to use (once trained on), but the easier to make things the closer the comparison will be.

I just tried 124s and there is a slight snappier feel to them. I actually kind of like it. weight will change your load to get to a given power factor, but assuming loads are adjusted to the exact same PF, this is largely personal feel, and there's going to be virtually no appreciable change to your overall match performance IMO. if you have a good grip and your gun works its not going to affect you that massively. however, if you try you may notice slight changes in recoil impulse and people have opinions either way. That, and generally 147 cost more. I have heard irons guys like 147s more and dot shooters like 124s more for a faster dot to return to zero. there may be some truth to this - but again, if this going to win you a match or make your split times faster? most certainly not.

not sure if this matters, but if you notice your pictures looks like you installed the pin upside down since its silver, and not flat / black where it was staked. perhaps the shape of the ends will help it hold? Im not 100% on this, I generally put it back in the way it came out and use a round end punch kit and give it a few hard knocks (restake it a lil). should fit it. If not or this bothers you, im sure they are a few bucks for spares from CZ webstore, Cajun, etc. And I agree, I had a shadow 2 once where the damn thing wouldn't come out if Hulk himself smashed it. was infuriating. id rather have a loose one I can work with than once that I can't even get to...

some big names, CZC, Cajun, Primary, Fire4Effect LLC all their pretty well received user bases for CZ optic milling. Smaller local shops too, Vulcan Machinewerks. pros and cons to each of having a replaceable plate or not, height, cosmetics, etc. Generally I've found people have strong opinions if they had a bad experience - like a plate breaking in a match, those guys are going to say never get a plate. others never have this happen, may never have it happen, and don't care. ill just say if you mill your slide like I did, I got RMR cut for trijicon and holosun options. seem to resale way better this way. milling for say, DPP....could limit options in the secondary market unless you find a guy married to that specific optic. seems like a well milled plate system like CZ is still worlds better than a ghetto dovetail mount. Those seem to be way more problematic.

I don't know what to tell you. the bushing magically flew off. never happened with the stock one. this is either an entirely random fluke, or, something about that bushing and its tolerances introduces unneeded friction etc.... my point is - if the accuracy gain isn't really noticeable why go thru with this part at all? even if my situation is not even related to this part, I personally have cause to think my money was not well spend regardless. that being said - its nice for bringing rights to say ".... yeah, my CZ is fully loaded EVEN has the bushing!" that's about what you get for your money.

some info that may help - I mounted a factory shadow 2 stock flat safety into my TSO it works fine. im weird and HATE extended safeties on CZs. this isn't advertised anywhere that you can do this, but you can. Given this logic, I would think any shadow 2 safety option would work. My disclaimer is I have never tried a left hand version....but I've never known CZ75 models to be incapable of mounting the appropriate CZ made left / right options assuming you buy the right part. generally shadows, etc can swap sides as a standard feature. I'd think you can do this, but maybe accept some degree of risk. Like I said, I mounted factory S2 safeties 100% function and fit no home-brew mods.

I know a few shops who have found ways to mill optics for both shadow 1 and shadow 2 very low. if that is available to you, that takes that out of the equation and its simply which pistol you like to shoot more. S2 definitely has different ergonomics than an S1. As for OR ready model, I personally thing with the new weight limit, and a sale price about $1500, no need for 3rd party milling and recoating, that's one heck of a value. S2s have a great hammer from the factory, pop a reduced hammer spring in and its a very light, good trigger. perhaps some grips. you are ready to go fairly quickly and with little hassle. I have heard the mounting plates are hard to get. But as for ditching your S1, I think the 2 main decisions are how much you want the S1 ergos over S2 ergos, and can you get an S1 milled nicely. most places don't offer it.

best practice of 2 guns, then you don't need to worry about it, if not, spare slide stop and trigger return spring. I'd HATE installing a TRS during a match / at the range. I personally thing its a huge pain to do in general, let alone outside, not at home, etc. For non range spares in general - slide stops, recoil springs, perhaps an extractor if you like but never broke one, firing pin/spring, front sight pins (those dang things always get loose), and now that I just shot my barrel bushing out, I guess ill add that to my list.... at some point you will wear out your mag catch. these types of things like firing pins, mag catches aren't gonna wear out until 15-20-25 thousand or MORE. I'd say these recommendations are for VERY high round count users. Honestly, for most normal shooters, most parts are on a CZ are good for life....except the slide stop, recoil spring, and trigger return spring. im probably going overboard. but at one time I had 4 CZs across 3 different divisions, so, Im kinda married to the platform. home armorers setup at this point LOL.

I personally don't see the value. this week after 6K rounds I shot the bushing out during fire as the sight pin wore down and allowed the bushing to blow off during recoil. The gunsmith told me that due to tighter tolerances, increased friction, heat, dirty, dryness, etc its more prone to this than the stock bushing. THAT - and I cannot perceive any increased accuracy across 2 guns with then and 1 shadow without. 3 guns. I think its a giant waste of money. I put em on 2 guns "just because". Now that I think its akes my gun less reliable, I almost want to go back to the stock factory bushings.

the fire4effect LARGE thumb rest is pretty amazing. highly recommend. its absolutely gigantic. but feel / quality / adjustability is all fantastic.

well, IMO nothing shoots as good as a high end tuned 1911. That being said, if its not s 2011 I can't thing of anything better than a CZ TSO. IMO its going to be easier to care for, generally have cheaper parts (magazines?). trade off being sliding trigger. A key technical detail is CZ need short / factory spec ammo and not 2011 style longer ammo. if you bulk buy, not so much an issue, if you reload, you will need to verify your OAL. But really, I don't think you are giving up much by moving to a TSO if you have the shooting ability. 100% id take an Atlas Nemesis, but you can get 3-4 TSOs for the price of 1 Nemesis.

new ones = metal trigger not plastic, shadow 2 safety not this old blocky style, shadow 2 style adjustable mag release, and trigger guard design differences which probably don't matter UNLESS you want to run an Alpha X race style holster which retains on the trigger guard. then its a critical detail and you need to pay attention to what holster / gun model you are buying or it won't work. Other than that, the rest of the gun and internals should be pretty much identical.

in terms of versatility and overall function I think the pound for pound winner is a shadow 2. IMO the "best" or highest end shadow out of the box from CZ, not a CZC, its a TSO. to justify that, I think it will have the best trigger, and the tightest tolerances. my TSO slide was so tight. could barely pull it off the gun, and only loosened up after a few thousand rounds. the internals were mirror like finished inside the slide surfaces. it was almost if the gun was hand fit. I don't get that off a shadow 2. Not sure if a Czechmate is like this too, but I have known 6 or so people who tried to run Czechmates and they all somehow suck and all sell em. for this reason, I put the TSO at the top of the standard CZ roster. That being said, i shoot 9 mm divisions, and generally like my shadow 2s personally. get it don't just the same, I just don't think they are as tight and "hand fit feeling" out of the box.

that's a really interesting comparison. IMO a TSO out of the box is the king of CZs.... except the A01. You really are aiming for the top. aside from cost, the biggest technical difference is DA/SA versus SA only. as a range toy, you may only start from cocked SA so that may or may not matter. if 40, that's a key factor, if both 9, not so much. another key detail here is sight radius. TSO is about 5.5 inches. most other CZ guns are 4.8-5. that makes a difference in aiming ability. As a whole, I think it will come down to personal feel and you cannot go wrong. the A01 certainly feels more special, bull barrel, etc. I think ultimately its down to personal feel if the money isn't an aspect, you don't need 40 (USPSA limited division), and you don't care on DA versus SA.

I have 2 weight received fire4effects shadows 2s. I think there are a lot of variables and personal opinions at play. I know people who shoot well and flat both ways. personal opinion of how much weight you want in the hand to move around with. FACT - the lighter slide will move faster and feel a bit more snappy than stock, unmilled. not to day people don't shoot fast and flat with the stock slide either. I personally think the slide speed and recoil impulse is going to make the most difference here, not overall weight, etc where largely return to zero is going to be proper grip strength and technique. I do feel like my milled shadow 2s have a different feel than the stock unmilled. I must attribute that to the lighter slide.

going to want to load short / factory / Sammi spec, not long like a 2011. most factory rounds should be perfect out of a TSO. I shot precision delta bulk reman 100% reliability.

I have found for some reason - perhaps my ammo, etc, I had clean my extractor channel on my TSO about every 2000-2500 rounds. not change the extractor out, but get in there with solvent and really scrub it out. if you have the slide off, taking a punch and knocking the retaining pin out isn't a big deal every 2K or so, but this was FAR sooner than I have had to do this on other 9 mm CZ, generally closer to 10K rounds.