DKorn

I agree that the right call is to look for evidence that would help differentiate which hit passed through the no shoot and which hit didn’t and score accordingly if possible. If it’s impossible to determine, then it’s a reshoot. I also think that the rules don’t make this 100% clear, since the rule that discusses being unable to score a target (9.1.4) is talking about unrestored targets and doesn’t apply. There isn’t really a rule that discusses how to go about figuring out which hits were from what and how to handle this - it’s a judgement call in my opinion, using all the evidence available. I’ve also seen at a local match where ROs have said “Well, one of these hits passed through the no shoot so it doesn’t count. Since we don’t know which one and you only fired 2 rounds, we’re going to count the best 1 remaining hit.” This is wrong and not the right way to approach scoring, but I’ve seen it done several times.

I’d say it’s most likely that I’d give the shooter a reshoot - how do I know whether the unposted hole was the one in the no shoot or one of the alphas? Unless I have another way to know for sure (different caliber holes, other evidence, etc.), if the shooter only fired 2 rounds that could’ve caused those 3 holes, I’m unable to determine an accurate score and therefore the shooter must reshoot.

Absolutely - but if I think it was intentional and am not 100% sure, I’m going to tell the shooter what i think happened, but call the RM (or CRO first) over to confirm that they agree before making the call. Yes, it’s passing the buck a little, but if I know they’re going to argue anyway, isn’t it better to just preemptively get on the radio, especially since I have to call the RM for the DQ anyway?

If someone does it intentionally for the purposes of getting a reshoot, it’s a DQ for unsportsmanlike conduct under 10.6. It’s the same as intentionally running into an RO in order to get a reshoot for interference. The hard part would be proving it. But that’s the RM’s problem, not mine - if I think someone is trying to cheat to get reshoots, I’m going to call the RM over and let them discuss it with the shooter and make the decision.

We had the no PCC allowed at a local match up until recently due to a zoning conflict. Luckily the range owners and a group of local shooters were able to get things worked out so it isn’t an issue any more.

Non working optic and you use your backup irons = totally okay. Take the optic off and just use irons in Carry Optics = bump to Open.

I think there’s clear cut situations where i’d call a DQ and situations that are a little less clear where I may not call it because of a target within 10 feet. For instance, if you start where there’s only 2 targets available - one close on the left, within 10 feet, and one far away on the right, and you position yourself angled towards the target to the right, and draw bringing the gun up towards that target, you’re going to have a hard time convincing me that the shot that goes off and hits 8 feet from you, clearly in the direction of the target on the right, is not a DQ.

If the shot goes off while transitioning to the target, it’s not an AD. It’s a miss (that they may or may not end up making up). Same thing if a shot it goes off while making a wide transition between two far away targets.

Make sure you’ve got the most up to date rules (best bet is the app) and not the old rulebook. Especially now that it’ “evergreen”, I recommend using the electronic version and not a printout, in case anything changes.

Are you going to do the entire grip area or just the panels? If you were just going to do the panels, I would think that you could stay under the weight using the lightest grips you could find in the profile you want, possibly removing some material from the “inside” of the grip, and then costing the panels in epoxy / silicon carbide. And if it doesn’t work and takes you over the weight limit, you’re only out a set of grips so not a huge deal.

I’m assuming you’re talking about the 8 rounds per location/view? All you have to do to make it legal is to have it available from more than one location or view. You can have more than 8 rounds available from a single location/view as long as you aren’t requiring the shooter to shoot it all from one spot.

I think the “problem” with Production (I don’t actually see it as a problem) is that no matter what you do, you pretty much end up with some people trying to gain equipment advantages and create a sort of “arms race”. If you don’t allow much in the way of mods (old Production rules or old IPSC rules), then you create an arms race in the “race” models of guns like the Shadow 2, etc. If you do allow mods, then you create a parts arms race where people push the rules as far as possible to gain any perceived advantage. At the end of the day, the best shooters will still win no matter what you choose. Personally, I’m generally in favor of allowing more mods because it lets people customize their gun to their preferences, and also allows people with already modified guns to participate in the division.

I don’t see anything to that effect anywhere in here: https://www.idpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Appendix-B-PCC.pdf They do still have the “no braced pistols” rule just like USPSA.

I think goofy targets (spinners, stars, etc.) are fine, but they don’t by themselves make a good stage and too many of them can ruin a stage. Either your stage design is good or it isn’t. Throwing props at a stage doesn’t always make it better. That said, occasionally a stand and shoot stage using those kinds of targets can be interesting, as long as it isn’t overused.

I’m having pretty good luck so far using the Peltor Tactical Sport 500 for outdoors. I don’t shoot Open, but RO a lot and don’t find the Open guns too loud under normal conditions with those muffs. I do find that some Open guns, or certain positions/angles, have more “blast” than others. They don’t sound excessively loud, but I definitely feel the concussion from the comp in my face/sinuses a lot more than others. ARs in 3 Gun are even worse. Indoors, the only option that works well is to double plug.

Same.

I’m gonna have to remember that one. I’ve never seen it get so bad that I’ve had to do more than sternly remind people to help, but I would be eyeing either a procedural (justified by 8.7.5) or 10.6.1. In either case if the squad can’t handle it and it gets to the point that you’re discussing penalties and/or having to call the RM/MD, things are already way out of hand.

Normally yes, this logic would apply, except that there is a PCC specific rule (8.2.3.1) that applies to touching the gun/ammunition after Standby but before the start signal.

From what I’m seeing elsewhere on the forum, the magazines that come with the gun are, as you’ve said, slightly too big to fit the box for Production. You'll have to either swap basepads or buy mags that don’t have them.

Assuming that you’re talking about Production division, the best way to check is to find someone with the regulation box and actually try it. If that isn’t an option, I would try drawing out the dimensions of the box on a piece of paper and seeing if the gun fits. The TP9SFX is on the USPSA Production list, so I would expect it to fit, but it’s certainly worth checking before you head to a major match and inadvertently find yourself shooting Open.

Correct, but I'm trying to figure out what to do after they do it When someone starts to go further than 1 step from the start location without my permission and I’m the RO? I would stop them and remind them that they are only allowed 1 step from the start location. If it they continue to do it despite being told not to, the RM and the shooter are going to have a chat, and I’m going to be closely eyeing rule 10.6.1.

Everything you need to know about arbitration is in Chapter 11, if you feel like looking through it yourself. 11.2 describes who is on the committee, etc. At a level I or II match, the match director appoints a 3 person committee of “experienced competitors who are not party to the appeal and who do not have a direct conflict of interest in the outcome”. The 3 people “should be certified range officials, if possible” but it isn’t required. Before things get to the point of arbitration, they go through the usual appeals process of RO -> CRO (does your local match designate one on each squad? They should in case of disputes.) -> RM (should ideally be a different person than the MD, especially if the MD is running a squad. At a small match this isn’t always feasible).

Sounds like I need to upgrade to skate tape instead of the 3M floor tape I’ve been using. Mine wears out fairly quickly, especially with dry fire. Of course, on my primary gun I got tired of reapplying it so I just had a friend do a silicon carbide / epoxy grip job.

As an update, I went to the Buckeye Blast (Ohio state championship) with a strong self image of the shooter I’ve been working to be through practice. I committed to my process and analyzed, strategized, memorized, and visualize each stage. I then told myself “Grip the gun, see the sights, be aggressive” (Mike Seeklander’s pre-stage mental statement) and “Center the dot, call the shot” (Steve Anderson’s recommended statement). I then took two deep breaths and let myself relax and wait for the beep. After the beep, I let the stage plan run on automatic and watched my sights to decide about whether I needed any make up shots. The end result was my best and most consistent match ever. I took 2nd place in Production C Class and am looking forward to making B class soon!

From a non-competition standpoint: -cheaper ammo than a .223/5.56 means you could use it as a training tool for rifle. -ability to shoot on steel closer than a regular rifle opens up some training drills you couldn’t normally do. -Quieter than a regular rifle so could be an option for home defense to not destroy your hearing as much I guess. If it’s an SBR or pistol+brace for ease of moving through hallways then that’s a bonus too.