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April 16th and April 27th?

I've heard a lot of good things about it. Keep wanting to try it but between the price and availability haven't. Anyone tried Shooters World Super Clean? It sounds good, has a good price and a nearby Scheel's has it in stock? Oh and gargoil66, I try to remove as many variables as possible in all things. To the point that I installed a set screw in my Dillon Powder Bars as I noticed they tended to increase charge weight over several thousands of strokes. Not a lot but enough to be noticed. At first I thought it was temperature/humidity causing slight metal expansion. Or maybe even affecting the loads themselves. The velocities tended to increase also. So I did one Bar and the issue stopped. I'd still notice velocities changing with the weather and usually pretty predictably, and that was expected. WST was the only one that didn't follow the expected trend. I had loads in 45 ACP, 38 Super and 38 Short Colt all follow the same pattern. It may be it settles down at some point or in come combinations. But it's something to be aware of. I used it in competition in 45 ACP's for Limited and SS and never got bit, but I had to load hotter in the spring and double check in the summer. Finally found Clays and Titegroup and switched. I'm a little OCD though.

I tested it extensively in the 1990's and it was a very real, and measurable, thing. I observed it personally, it was frustrating but manageable as long as it was factored in. And it lead to a life long obsession with verifying match load velocities at varying temperature, humidity and conditions. As for my buddy, i could only go from his statements and my observation. But it did fit into my experiences. And it wasn't just 1 round, they fired all 8, with a fairly normal overall spread.

Dillon makes a small charge powder bar that solves that problem. It's a square cut rather than the usual tapered end.

Just be aware wst is reverse temperature sensitive. It will lose velocity as the ambient temperature gets hotter. Saw a bad example at the 2019 or 2020 MW icore regional, buddy failed chrono, not even close needed 800 and couldn't even get 720. He had made 840 in march 30 degree weather, and even with lab radar couldn't get past 720 at 100 degrees at Columbia, mo. It's an accurate, clean powder, but be cautious.

ibej heads makes a 185 coated rn https://www.ibejiheads.com/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=11&osCsid=cda16c7fbe2084203006ca349c8cda72, north east targets makes a 185 fmj https://nereloading.com/45 acp .451 bulk 185 grain fmj full metal jacket bulk bullets for reloading in stock free shipping.html. I never had good luck with the 45 185 hbrn, 25 and under very good but at 50 yds were all over the place. In both Revolver and 1911's. I've got a 325 TR, great gun even EDC with it.

In my 45 acp I've used Ramshot Competition, Hogdon Clays, Alliant ClayDot (same as Clays for load data reported to be the same powder other than the little red flakes) all were good & clean. May have to try the Cleanshot though?

or 45 Schofield cases

More than likely due to variations in the case head. Many firings in unsupported barrels will swell the case head. The Dillon Dies are designed for progressive machines with a flare at the mouth, resulting in a bit less sizing at the base of the case. I use the Lee U Die, it's a shade tighter at the base and doesn't have the flared taper. Can be a bit more touchy on the upstroke of your 650/750, but they work fine in my 550 and 1050. Now if you're loading 40 s&w it can get to the point you need a separate roll sizer to get the Glock Bulge out!

Be aware WST is inverse temperature sensitive, in the extreme. It loses velocity as the ambient temps increase. I use to load with it and just adjusted, but ultimately found better and more stable powders. I've used it in 45 acp, 38 short colt and 40 s&w. The extreme note example was at the 2019 MW ICORE Regional. A buddy failed chrono, needed 800 and couldn't make 720. Talking afterward and he said he was running close to 850 when he chronographed in March, at under 40 deg. The match was in July at 100+ deg (this was at the Columbia, Mo Bianchi Cup Range and it's always hotter in that pit). Then I asked him his load, yep WST. Fit with my experiences. It's a clean & accurate powder, so just be aware.

I like a taper crimp of .370, or less, on my 38 short colts with .358" bullets. Even go to .370"+ on my 9mm semi auto loads with no loss of accuracy.

Yes we do, it's an issue with all revolvers to one degree or the other. Even 44 caliber 240 lrn with crimp groove would back out when shooting major, it would take a couple of cylinders to do say 10 times. Some bullets are worse than others, Jacketed with a cannelure about the same as the 44's. Jacketed & Plated without a cannelure can start walking out in as few as one cylinder. Most times it's only a few thousands, but especially with plated you can see as it starts to leave the crimp groove left by the crimping. You can't crimp deep enough to totally eliminate it either, going too heavy on a Jacketed will likely buckle the case, on a plated you can pierce the plating leading to separation. Actually had that happen at the 2008 USPSA Revolver Nationals, 2 shots left 3 bullet holes in the target and I felt the difference, to the point I hesitated expecting the RO to stop me but he didn't and I continued on. Cliff and I even checked my barrel to make sure it wasn't bulged. The heavier the bullet the worse the issue. Lead or Coated seem to be affected the least and the long bearing surface on the 145+ I use means they won't back out and tie up the cylinder. Now the 9mm being a tapered case is one I've not used. I can surmise the taper can actually incrementally increase the speed of the non-fired cases upon firing and enhance pull out. Combined with factory rounds usually being jacketed & short bearing surface bullets and designed to resist push in on feeding can actually be a perfect storm leading to some of the reports. Some factory loads used to have a sealant on the jacketed bullets that may help, but don't know if anyone does that anymore. The case wall thickness can also have an effect. In decades past some 38 super brass was too thin and wouldn't grip bullets and we avoided them. My suggestion for 9mm is to use a single brand of brass, for competition at least don't use Starline or range brass, seems I heard Federal is good. Then load 145+ grain bullets, loaded to a length that won't bulge a case yet leaves as much bearing surface as possible to be gripped by the case. Taper Crimp very tight, say under .370". Do all of those and you shouldn't have to worry about a gun being tied up in a cylinder full. Note I usually take the extra 38 short colt rounds from moon clips and use them for practice. Short answer you can't expect good results from your 9mm semi-auto ammo and most factory rounds, to get the most reliable rounds you will need to take extra efforts at handloading. And the 929 is most accurate with .358" lead/coated bullets or .357" jacketed, though I've had decent luck with some .355" jacketed in my 627's just depends on manufacturer. The barrels on both the 627 and 929 have the same bore dimensions.

Ft Scott is nice too

I'm in a3 and i am not upset, not even surprised. I just worry about finding reasonably priced primers.

I've used them 1.180" oal in a m28 and 2 627's. Good prices and good shipping. Fwiw I like black bullet internationals better, a little cheaper and in my guns a bit more accurate. Think due to sizing. But it could be me or my guns. You won't be disappointed.

What is the 1) lowest functional action weight you've created, 2) lowest ultra reliable, with just polishing and spring changes, and 3) do you feel any real difference under match pressure? With my s&w's it's 1) 4.5 lbs, 2) 6 lbs 3) don't notice it much, but since I'm a constant tinkerer I use the lightest to see how long it will last. So far 2 years. Mo ftf with fed spp, even magnum.

Toolguy on this forum makes one too.

I think the big issue it solved was the bullet falling out as the shell plate rotated. The 9mm funnels are.356, uniquetek makes a .356 for 9mm and a .358 for 38's. That extra .002" stopped the problem. All of them can be made to over, or under, flare a case. Some have a more subtle flare giving you the ability to flare slower.

Uniquetek makes one I use.

If you're using a dillon powder measure i think it's uniquetek that has a powder drop expander for.358 bullets. It does make a difference.

Try crimping to.370

Now looks like a 627pc, do like that look.

Measure the extractor groove. If you do.

For the 627 most of us use starline 38 brass, short colt, special and 357 magnum all have the same groove diameter and fit best with the tk moons made for them. There are some that work with other brands of brass. Do a search as I believe it was part of a thread a while back.

Oh man this is so relevant to a recent argument i had within our local uspsa club board! Wish I'd found it then. Glad you handled it well and didn't let it get into your head. As for the op, I started in 1978, burnt out in 1996, came back with revolver division after 2001, now my focus is icore even started a club. Really enjoy the slower pace. Still doing uspsa, just not as obsessed.