kurtm

Hmmm, and just a post or two above you were complaining about all the range lawyering in UML. Any rule set that has the R.O. counting rounds, inspecting equipment, getting 5 guys yammering away about this or that little detail is distracted from his real job of trying to maintain safety, and keep the match flowing. This leads to an atmosphere of contention instead of competition, and therefore isn't fun to me. You asked for opinions and those are mine, helpful or not. I'm sorry your stuck in an area that has only UML to offer, but once again that is just my opinion.

I'm, hey triple T I'm pretty sure that in a round about way I was backing your statement. Ain't hardly any M4s in 3-gun, and I've seen hundreds of shotguns over the years.

My #1 favorite.....any match that doesn't run UML. My #1 pet peev, any match that does!

Here is an example. Lots of places to get them try to stay in the 320 to 400 grit range. https://www.amazon.com/Square-Abrasive-File-Sharpening-Stones/dp/B000TKD07G#

I'm betting that of those "thousands" you have seen the same shotgun several times, so maybe hundreds in reality? I saw 5 M4s at one single match, but I saw them at 6 of 10 stages so did I see 30 M4s? No, but I was squaded with the USMC 3-Gun team. Come to think of it, that's the only 30 M4s I've ever seen at a 3-gun match!

Remedy, take a very thin stone and knock just the sharp corner off the locking shoulders on the right side. Brownells sells them. Net gain: a cool new whet stone you can use in all sorts of ways, and the pride of taking care of something that bothered you. Net loss: cost of said specialty stone, and the calories burnt stoning off the sharp shoulders. Practical gain: just about 0% Practical loss: just about 0%

I have run a stretch barrel since 1999.......20" with rifle gas! Nice and soft, great velocity, very reliable.

Marks are from extraction. Ejector pushing hard to right. Right locking shoulders, in extension, are nice and sharp. Case clears chamber and neck is forced to the right and pulled past sharp locking shoulders. Don't believe? Just line the marks up with the locking shoulders in the extension.

I'm with Mark on this! These are GREAT shotguns. I have played with a few now and can say they are in general leaps and bounds better than almost any platform to start from. Easy to work on, low recoil impulse, in general pattern and shoot slugs well, and damn easy to give it a good trigger. Lots of room to butcher up the receiver if you want (I don't think it needs much).... I think the V3 is the cat's meow....or tits.....or what ever

I didn't hear anything about age.......but then again I am getting hard of hearing after all these years. The winner of who did what? As for a recession, all things ebb and flow, and the simple truth is when prize tables "contracted" due to slowing in the market, 3-gun started recessing. But never fear all the big matches that are worth going to still fill to the brim......now get off my lawn you damn kids!!!

Ah, a true case of righty tightly, lefty loosey.

Hmmm maybe your friends really do like fun, that's why they are staying away from some of these lame assed matches. Or they really like fun, but maybe it's you........but I'll shoot with you anytime!

IPSC rifle will never catch on in the U.S. as it is way too accuracy driven and difficult for most. Secondly we as a country just can't seem to be able to score paper targets and have knock down steel at extended ranges without major back ups.....although they do it all the time "over there". Secondly the joy of "shotgun" started its demize in 3-gun about the time we got away from the idea of testing it's social use! It has morphed into "Tactical bird and rabbit hunting" or "Combat 5 stand" when we started using bird shot instead of buckshot, and started changing targets to pipes, clays, tiny plates etc, and growing round count to idiotic levels which emphasized loading it began to drag it all down. The 3-gun recession was caused by trying to make it T.V. exciting and trying to make it all a drag race, instead of testing various aspects of the use of 3-guns in the social/martial setting.

Not in the least providing your 18" barrel has chokes. Some of the targets you will face need some form of construction is spinner at 15 yards, star at 20, heavy plates...etc. you could just use larger shot but some matches limit the size of shot.

Wanna change the ejection pattern??? Change the ejector spring! That damn B.S. chart is that! There is so much that goes into where any particular rifle throws brass that it ain't even funny! I.E. change the recoil spring.....not one is the same! Fresh gas rings will throw brass differently than old! Suppressed, non suppressed...etc. ect. The real questions are do they all extract/eject with no problem??? I.E. reliable!!! Are the rims getting torn up from premature unlocking??? If not run the snot out of it and be happy!!!! (And that is just a tiny short list of what will change "ejection patterns"!!!!! Complete .B.S.!!!

Yes I do, as a duty comp! Does it bounce around more than a SJC.....yes a bit, but dampening wise I'd say around 85-90% of a true 3-gun comp, like SJC, Rolling Thunder, J.P. etc. BUT we ask a whole bunch more out of a duty comp! Side blast? Try shooting your "fill in the blank" duty comp that vents to the side a la Lantac, BMC, right next to someone else and they will get a real good winding, sometimes watery eyes and blast gasses that can burn.....all bad things to do to your backup! Try shooting any side vented comps under an old car or in a dusty environment and you will create your own sandstorm which at the least cuts you vision, at worst gets crap in you eyes! Also not good in a dynamic environment. Try this little experiment with a side vented comp get the side ports on one side real close to a hard object...like say an inch or less away and try to group your rifle on a target, you will find out pretty quickly that you get a nice horizontal dispersion from your zero. I have seen this be enough to miss a target at 100 yards. Also not so good. BUT the MZLMAX passed all these test with flying colors! Very low dust signature...less than an A2 flash suppressor. Fired under a very dirty truck....no sand storm. No visible dispersion from one side being blocked. Almost no side blast....and the guys next to you really enjoy that. I can't speak to the 30 Cal ones, I've only tested one on 5.56x45mm rifles/carbines, and one now is on my teaching carbine. The other thing I noticed is it is a very neutral comp when fired from right or left shoulder, and or horizontal at least for my physiology.....but several other shooter experienced the same thing.

I'm I'm pretty sure ol R.T. mentioned the Lantac is compatible with his suppressor so I'm thinking he will stay with it. As it stands....having tried a bunch, is for a duty type brake the MZLMAX is far superior to the other duty type brakes......but it doesn't mount a can!

The more you choke buckshot the worse the pattern, braked or not! L.M. is the start of being too much for by buckshot.

I'm told I do it all wrong, more push pull than "King Kong" grip squeezer. I have notice that the grip squeezer thingys became very popular around here after a few Vogel classes rolled through, and you could here springs squeaking night and day! Some of the guys became better shooters, some didn't. The guys that did swear by the "springs", except almost all of them spent more time practicing and shooting.....I know because I didn't used to see them except on match day, and then I saw them a lot on non match days. Now I am the first to say consistency in gripping is great, but how many of the spring kings get beat by the top women shooters, who don't even have a third of the hand strength? Well quite a lot from what I have seen in the results. Hmmm...... Maybe time behind the gun and consistency is important. Maybe the word "grip" brings to mind different things to different folks, and we all might be saying about the same thing just saying it in our paradigm. I have noticed one thing though. The tighter the gun is squeezed, crushed, smashed like a beer can, the more it induces trigger slap, which is fine as long as nothing moves, but it also hinders fine finger motion and "feel" of the trigger hurting long range performance, in the 30-75 yard range

Best reply of the month Mr. Rigby

By far the best duty/work rifle comp available. I have tried almost all of the ones listed and recommended, and I have just recently tried this one, and hands down it is the best one made. Complete flash suppression, all blast directed out the front, actually quieter behind the rifle than a standard A2, and I would say about 90% of compensation of a Rolling Thunder or J.P. 3 chambered comp!.....I don't have any connection with them at all, but this device is now what sits on my teaching rifle! https://www.ng2defense.com/products/mzlmax-afd-muzzle-manager

U.S. standard team, and Swedish standard team, just in case everyone thought this match was just for guys with scopes!

Are you shooting IPSC rifle matches, or are you shooting U.S. style 3-gun? Big difference in those two.

Uhm, you do know the AARP is way anti- gun, you will be waiting a long time for a reply. Must have been a gap in your memory.......like the ones in you fault line.

All that aside....that was a DAMN fast quad with gloves on no less!!!