lvipscshooter Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'm very happy to see that you wil all be coming back to town in October!! I'm happy the nats are back here again. Preston and I will be ready to go and lend a helping hand as we did last year! Hopefully we'll both shoot better too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 That bites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I agree. The "Nationals" should be more central. JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Well this will make two in a row that I will miss. Last year the dates were announced so late that I had already booked other things including my family vacation. This year just two weeks earlier the week of the Nationals was booked by my business partner for his vacation. We can't both be gone, so I am not attending. Why can't we get the dates earlier? There is one overriding responsibility for the USPSA leadership and that is running the National Matches. Item One: When will they be? Item Two: Where will they be? Item Three: What is the Mix? When? This is the most important question as this allows all of us to put in for time off early enough to actually get the time we ask for. Where? Not all that important early on as travel arrangements can be made long after vacation requestes are made. Mix? Why is it ALWAYS Open & X and Limited and X? Maybe some of us would like to shoot Open and Production? or L-10 and Limited? Not everyone wants to shoot Open and Limited. If I had my way, we'd host one larger Nationals where you got to shoot any of the 6 divisions over say 4 days or maybe 5 at maybe 24-30 stages. The other way would be, were we ever to get big enough and rich enough would be 6 Nationals. Which brings me to the last point of this ramble, Why is Single Stack not a part of the USPSA Nationals? Yes, I understand about the SS Classic. But why would I shoot SS at an Area match? I don't win a Slot to the Nationals for SS. I need to just be lucky enough to get my check i nearly to secure a slot. OK, Rant off. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The SingleStack is it's own Nationals. Like the multigun, it's a "pay and play" match, so you don't need a slot. Why shoot it at an Area Championship? Well.... bragging rights? 26 people seem to agree, because that's how many shot the 2009 Area 6 in SS. There were more of them than there were in Limited-10. Six separate national championship matches? I think we have a hard enough time securing a location and getting up the volunteer staff to drive two of them back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 To close to my favorite match of the year. The Area 2 Desert Classic. Can't afford both. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The SingleStack is it's own Nationals. Like the multigun, it's a "pay and play" match, so you don't need a slot. Why shoot it at an Area Championship? Well.... bragging rights? 26 people seem to agree, because that's how many shot the 2009 Area 6 in SS. There were more of them than there were in Limited-10. Six separate national championship matches? I think we have a hard enough time securing a location and getting up the volunteer staff to drive two of them back to back. The six Nats idea is merely a 'pipedream' I would rather a single large Nats. With due respect, Multi-Gun is very different from handgun. If you can say that SS is it's own pay-to-play, then why can't all 6 be pay to play? why do we even need slots? Shouldn't the SS Nats require winning a slot the same as the rest of the Nats? And is the SS Society now requiring USPSA Membership to compete at the Classic? or can the third best SS Shooter be the US SS champion since the top two might not be (in this scenario) USPSA members? Just wondering. Anyway, I won't be at either this year, maybe next year. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefcs5 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I agree with JT for being a national event it is pretty far to the left coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'd like to see all the dissenters of the current system and location take the time and trouble to go around their area and find the club that would be willing to host your method of a Nationals. "If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem." "It is difficult to remember the objective is to drain the swamp when you are up to your ass in alligators." Quotes from my office wall at McChord AFB, Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 LP, Tulsa works IF we'd just move the match to the dry months. Barry is OK, but I'd rather go to Tulsa. More hotels and restaurants closer to the range and better range facilities. The new place in Kentucky where the IPSC Shotgun will be held. And there must be others. My big complaint, for the record, is the lateness of the announcement, not so much the place. I would fly to Vegas as I can't take the time to drive, but I'd go. As for finding a place local to me... I live in New Jersey so not much chance of that happening here. Besides, just as someone else said, Vegas is pretty far West, NJ is about as far east as you go without a boat. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI5-O Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Well, LV is pretty central for me Hope to make it again this year and maybe back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefcs5 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'd like to see all the dissenters of the current system and location take the time and trouble to go around their area and find the club that would be willing to host your method of a Nationals. "If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem." "It is difficult to remember the objective is to drain the swamp when you are up to your ass in alligators." Quotes from my office wall at McChord AFB, Washington Id love to help find a diffrent place or date but alas they dont listen to me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Jim, I understand your continuing complaint about the lateness of the posting date and I'm sure Michael would love to give new dates at the Awards ceremony. Desert Sportsman's is in a state of flux not knowing when they might be closed down. Then there are negotiations with finding a match hotel and what dates they are willing to give reduced rates. USPSA is trying to get competitors reduced rates as well as rooms for the staff. I personally like the idea of 2 different matches as it allows those shooters who dabble in different divisions to possibly compete in 2 Nationals in the same year. The method of selecting which guns compete at the same should be based on the number of competitors in the respective divisions. While certain divisions may not be very popular locally and we wonder why they are lumped together it may be national demographics or just which divisions can be put and make the most revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfactor Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I for one would love to go shoot in Vegas... hope I can get a slot this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Hello: Vegas it is then. I do think they should make arrangements for next year nationals and anounce them at this years nationals withthe dates etc. I think the Single Stack nationals are where they are since they pay to have them there. I do like the double nationals setup in one place. I can't wait to go. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I always wondered why they dont start looking now. If I were MV I would start 2011 right now, find 6 to 10 clubs that would be interested. As the year progressed start working down the list, by mid year have 2 maybe 4 and commit to one in Oct. And yes I will email Mike my suggestions. The new KY facility might be ready in a few years for the Nationals but I have no idea about accomidations, other than what I saw on Shooting USA. For me I would like to see it more centrally located since I dont fly with firearms and have just about written flying at all off but thats just me. I do like the thought of it moving around to give those who havent been to a National a chance to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBfarms Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 October. That puts all the farmers out. Bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'm all for the Nationals in Kentucky!!! I think that range will get a decent test over the next couple of years. Its hosting the Blue Ridge 3 gun again and that was a very large match. Kentucky sectional will be there so I'll get to see. Maybe a Area match in the near future then the big show? Anyway, I also don't like the fact that nationals is on the west cost and not central. At least in Tulsa it was driving distance for most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaFemale Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) I'd like to see all the dissenters of the current system and location take the time and trouble to go around their area and find the club that would be willing to host your method of a Nationals. "If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem." "It is difficult to remember the objective is to drain the swamp when you are up to your ass in alligators." Quotes from my office wall at McChord AFB, Washington Amen!!!! I wonder how many of the dissenter's on this forum have ever put on a monthly match let alone a State Championship, let alone a Nationals. Quit complaining and ENJOY the fact that someone else is willing to donate their time to entertain you. Edited January 20, 2010 by AlphaFemale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Any where you have the match many if not most people will have to fly, So distance doesnt really matter much, There is no place I can think of that is cheaper than Vegas, I stayed at match casino resort got a round trip ticket and a rental car for around $700 on travelocity, Also a ton of other things to do. Come on guys 9 months out and people are complaining,? that is more than enough notice, I say good job. The mix shouldnt be relevant, unless you win two slots, you shouldnt be able to shoot multiple divisions except as a walk on. This would allow more individuals to get a slot. If the wait list doesnt fill up then let people shoot multiple divisions. I had a great time last year, but wont go this, I jsut really am not interested in getting on an airplane for any reason. But thats just me, If I had to pick a place for the match only 2 come to mind Vegas and FL, but the weather is much better and dependable in Vegas so I think it is a good location that should please the masses. Just look at how fast the wait list filled up, compared to all the times the match was in OK, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) I'm sure we could submit a qualified ranges if we thought our input was wanted. I'm not sure that's the case. Also, not everyone will fly to a match... there are a lot of us who would drive if it was under 1000 miles. You don't need to make this personal... Even within the Area matches it get's moved around to give everyone a chance to attend. By moving it around you can share the wealth with other areas and clubs and be more inclusive of people who might not otherwise be able to attend. Nobody is getting slammed here, we are expressing ideas. Last I checked we could still do that........... JT Edited January 20, 2010 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecutts Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Any where you have the match many if not most people will have to fly, So distance doesnt really matter much, There is no place I can think of that is cheaper than Vegas, I stayed at match casino resort got a round trip ticket and a rental car for around $700 on travelocity, Also a ton of other things to do. Come on guys 9 months out and people are complaining,? that is more than enough notice, I say good job. Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Also, not everyone will fly to a match... there are a lot of us who would drive if it was under 1000 miles. You don't need to make this personal... Even within the Area matches it get's moved around to give everyone a chance to attend. By moving it around you can share the wealth with other areas and clubs and be more inclusive of people who might not otherwise be able to attend. Not true. Area 6 has been at SRGC for the last ...... what? 6 years? Maybe more. And I'm cool with that. It's a great range, with great staff. Perfect for a quality Area match. Las Vegas is perfect for a Nationals. Lots of hotels, eateries, and attractions. Plus it's close to town. Tulsa is ok compared to Vegas, but not great. And I agree about flying to most any match that is over a 6+ hours drive. I flew to Tulsa (twice) and I flew to Vegas. I would fly to Florida, TX, LA, and most any place west of the Mississippi. I think 9 months notice is good, but 12 months would be even better. But mostly I cant understand why when the Nationals are announced each year ....... the complaining begins. Why? Especially HERE! Why do the moderators allow complaining about SHOOTING to continue, here at Brians House? Shouldnt we be glad we still get to own guns, and shoot here in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefcs5 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) some of the people who are comlaining DO put on monthly matches and have put on state sectionals. Normally 9 months for a weekend match would be more than ample but if you have to take a week of vacation and someone else in your department already has that week or part of it your screwed and you can usually start asking for vaca jan. 1 Also they were correct about putting the farmers and thier familys out by having it in oct. I know a lot of people who would love to help put on an event like this and ranges that would love to have it but its not up to us is it. I mean the people who set this up are getting paid by our dues so I think we should be able to cpmplain a little when they fail to meet expectations. Edited January 20, 2010 by chefcs5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMester Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Vegas is awfully cheap and has everything including lots of sunshine. Unless you enjoy shooting in a rain it is hard to beat Vegas. One can stay in a multi billion dollar hotel for the same money what you would spend for a road side motel in some other places. Has dozens of flights in and out the same day unlike many of the places mentioned above in this post what have one flight in then one flight out /day. Has it's own airport, unlike SS Nationals. (sorry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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