lcs Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, magpulled said: Does 105 fill the case up like 3n38 ? When I load 3n38 theirs not much room left in the case. For example when my 650 indexes a few sprinkles come out of the case if I don't slow down a little. I noticed with hs6 this didn't happen as much but I was at a starting point of 8.6 I believe. Yes. 15 hours ago, Sarge said: If I were to run a 38 as opposed to 9MAJOR, powder cost would be the least of my worries. True! but there is a significant price delta between 3N38 and HS6. Lower the cost of each round=more practice time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelix Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I use HS6 like it a lot, I have used AA#7 its a little more dirty then HS6. I think next powder i will try is N105 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboy69 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) AA7 10.3 grains with a 125 grain Blue Bullet The other powder I use in WAC. HS-6 or WIN540 works well Edited June 16, 2017 by bigboy69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 N350 works great in my TruBor, when I can find it. Otherwise I am still burning HS7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Where, and when, are you getting HS7 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 48 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Where, and when, are you getting HS7 ? Bought two cases of 1lb bottles at a Gunshop closing down sale almost 8 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 4756 works very well, unfortunately, like the Australian Clays, it's now unavailable unless you run across someone who has a stockpile of it they are willing to part with. I understand that 572 is supposed to be similiar to 4756. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpulled Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 14 hours ago, Steve RA said: 4756 works very well, unfortunately, like the Australian Clays, it's now unavailable unless you run across someone who has a stockpile of it they are willing to part with. I understand that 572 is supposed to be similiar to 4756. I'd like to find some of this but it's highly unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 4756 or Winchester 572 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpulled Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 4756, lol. Move never seen 572. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Powder Valley has W 572, 8 Lbs for $156.50 (not including Haz Mat or shipping). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 130 GR. BERB RN Starting Loads Maximum Loads Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Winchester 572 .356" 1.150" 4.6 990 25,600 PSI 5.2 1,131 33,500 PSI (From Hodgdon Manual - 130GR Berry Bullet 9mm) Just an example - look up more in various places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 On 15/06/2017 at 11:39 PM, magpulled said: Does 105 fill the case up like 3n38 ? When I load 3n38 theirs not much room left in the case. For example when my 650 indexes a few sprinkles come out of the case if I don't slow down a little. I noticed with hs6 this didn't happen as much but I was at a starting point of 8.6 I believe. you can tune the 650 so that no powder spills. I have gone up as high as 10.4gn of 3N38 in 38 super with no powder spill and no need to slow down. the key is: roller bearing with a washer on top under the shell plate bolt head cut 1/2 coil from detent ball spring use delrin detent ball spend time tuning the shell plate bolt tension to be juuuuust right. it does take 5-10 min to get a shell plate that still moves freely but has no jerk when indexing. yes N105 fills the case too. it's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvc4you Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 4756, lol. Move never seen 572. I have 8 lbs for sale in the Charlotte Area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I shoot 124-125 grain jhps in .38 Supercomp, and 9 major. I started with N350, but, a friend of mine insisted N105 was better. I tried N105, and couldn't notice any difference while shooting, but, loading N105, I had to put my finger over the case between the powder station, and bullet seating station because it was level with the top of the case. When I couldn't get N350, I tried IMR 4756. Almost as clean and soft, but, I found that every lot number seems to chrono different, so, if you find that you like it, buy the biggest can you can find! For 9 major, I like Autocomp a little better than N350, but, will use either. Can't get enough 4756 in a 9mm case to even get my guns to cycle. I refuse to use HS-6 because I'm too lazy to clean my gun every time I shoot it, and it's filthy stuff. Also, depending on the configuration of your gun, it may react completely different than someone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcalvert Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 4756 is awesome but very hard to find since it has been discontinued. Vit 3N38 is a little cleaner and makes lots of gas! dcalvert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Here is my load data with 3N38 (from yesterday) Brazos 5 inch with 4 Popple holes: Created: 07/23/17 18:43 Description: Brazos 38Super Win SRP Notes 1: 9.6g 3N38 Notes 2: 125g JHP Zero 1.235" Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00 Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000 Bullet Weight(gr): 125.00 Temp: 82 °FBP: 30.02 inHg Altitude: 0.00# FPS FT-LBS PF 20 1372 522.56 171.50 19 1365 517.24 170.62 18 1362 514.97 170.25 17 1372 522.56 171.50 16 1365 517.24 170.62 15 1352 507.43 169.00 14 1387 534.05 173.38 13 1366 518.00 170.75 12 1353 508.18 169.12 11 1384 531.74 173.00 10 1376 525.61 172.00 9 1380 528.67 172.50 8 1404 547.22 175.50 7 1388 534.82 173.50 6 1360 513.46 170.00 5 1376 525.61 172.00 4 1363 515.72 170.38 3 1367 518.76 170.88 2 1353 508.18 169.12 1 1355 509.69 169.38 Average: 1370.0 FPS SD: 13.7 FPSMin: 1352 FPSMax: 1404 FPSSpread: 52 True MV: 1371 FPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/23/2017 at 11:54 AM, dcalvert said: 4756 is awesome but very hard to find since it has been discontinued. Vit 3N38 is a little cleaner and makes lots of gas! dcalvert I was just at my local "Fleet Farm" which hasn't had much powder during the Obamaha rule, and they are stocking 4756 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 If you like it you'd better buy it all as Hodgdon has discontinued it - some time back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi531 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Hi, I've been loading VV N350 for several years now with no complaints or issues. My 38 SC load is a 121 gr JHP atop 8.3 gr. with OAL at about 1.245 and standard primers. This load gives a PF of about 172 in a full size gun, 5.4 barrel with four popple holes and Cheely TI. comp.. I've tried my friend 3N38 load I thought it felt harsh but loads like the guns feel subjective from person to person. The point is that most of these powders work well so experiment and decide what feels good to You with Your set up. Also, I like the fact that their is enough case space with this powder and no spillage issues no matter the loading speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) On 6/14/2017 at 2:02 AM, 2011BLDR said: Using 3N38. I think N105 is better but the nonavailability of 4LB packages kills the cost. Same here. Just started using 3N38 because of the cost. Definitively think N105 tracks better. Edited July 25, 2017 by Big Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) On 6/14/2017 at 2:02 AM, 2011BLDR said: Using 3N38. I think N105 is better but the nonavailability of 4LB packages kills the cost..... Is there a reason that N105 is not available in 4 pound packages? Edited July 25, 2017 by Balakay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunDQ Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcalvert Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 On 7/24/2017 at 11:12 AM, RH45 said: I was just at my local "Fleet Farm" which hasn't had much powder during the Obamaha rule, and they are stocking 4756 Buy it all ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF38sup Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I have been using Ramshot Silhouette since it was all I could find during the powder shortage. 9gr Delta Precision 115 JHP Winchester SPMP. Works very well. Only drawback is it is dirty. Well we should clean open gun frequently anyway. I had 4 pounds of N105 in stock which I loaded up 100. Very messy to load and poor ejection. I am shooting it up in practice 9x25 loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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