JThompson Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) Airbus A320 plane out of Laguardia is thought to have a double bird strike and the pilot put it down in the Hudson without a breakup... what a piece of flying! I have never seen a plane that size go in the water without breaking up. I think everyone got off fine after the crash... Thanks to the man upstairs are in order. Nice job guys! Edited January 15, 2009 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 This is a flight that I routinely travel on when I get to the airport early and can go standby. Indeed, the pilot on this one looks to be the hero of the day. He managed to put the plane down safely in the only open spot in the area. The NYC to NJ ferries that run all day pulled up and picked up the passengers. At this point I am still not seeing any reports of any deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Simply amazing that there are no casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 The FAA is confirming that all passengers and crew are safe. They are not ruling out injuries, but they are reporting everyone is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) I'd say that calling that a plane crash insults the flight crew. If you can land a plane in the water, get 100% of the passengers off and live to tell about it, that's a pretty good day! Edited January 15, 2009 by Seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 damned good water landing by the pilot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpops Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 damned good water landing by the pilot!! that will be an interesting logbook entry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I've always heard these 2 definitions from pilots: a good landing is one you can walk away from.............a Great landing...you can use the plane again. So this one was a GOOD landing by their own words! Alan~^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 It is refreshing to have a bit of good news these days. Someone needs to give the pilot/plane staff/ferryworkers a medal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgary Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 pretty amazing photos at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28679343/displ.../framenumber/1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1b Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'd say that calling that a plane crash insults the flight crew. If you can land a plane in the water, get 100% of the passengers off and live to tell about it, that's a pretty good day! I second that. Great flying - and true heroes under pressure! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 WOW!! Glad to see it wasn't a good friend of mine as well. He drives 320's out of Laguardia but for a different airline.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 pretty amazing photos at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28679343/displ.../framenumber/1/ Nice link.. thanks Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Another good reason to thin the flocks of nuisance resident geese that hang around most of our citites these days shitting all over everything.... So how hard can it really be to engineer a jet engine that's goose-proof, for chrissakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 So how hard can it really be to engineer a jet engine that's goose-proof, for chrissakes? Its called a GE-90 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_GE90 - watched video of the building and design of the 777. They had footage of these suckers eating large birds for breakfast! Still, probably not 100% foolproof, but... Absolutely masterful flying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Pretty fancy flying. Way to go crew !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 So how hard can it really be to engineer a jet engine that's goose-proof, for chrissakes? Its called a GE-90 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_GE90 - watched video of the building and design of the 777. They had footage of these suckers eating large birds for breakfast! Still, probably not 100% foolproof, but... Absolutely masterful flying! I saw that - that was cool. hard to stop those things. It's gotta take muliple large birds all at once to stop one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD Niner Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 This was nearly unbelievable. What an amazing feat of flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I fly far too often and have always, repeat always rolled my eyes when they described what to do after a "water landing" My images of auguring in at 300 mph did not exactly line up with the phrase "landing". Guess I will have to listen next time they try to tell me what part of my seat works as a flotation device. Very, very nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'd say that calling that a plane crash insults the flight crew. If you can land a plane in the water, get 100% of the passengers off and live to tell about it, that's a pretty good day! Yeah, that's just a forced landing that didn't wind up on dry land. Amazing piece of airmanship in every sense of the word. My father retired as a US Airways Shuttle pilot and still knows a bunch of the guys there. He called to let me know to get to a TV when it happened....I'm still not sure if he knew the pilot or not. I hope they give him a bonus! The NTSB will probably call it pilot error, pull his ticket and make him take a checkride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Bart, I think there would be riots if they blame the pilot! That guy is about to become the most famous aviator since Maverick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Another good reason to thin the flocks of nuisance resident geese that hang around most of our citites these days shitting all over everything....So how hard can it really be to engineer a jet engine that's goose-proof, for chrissakes? When I was still in the USAF we had an AWACS bird out of Alaska go through a flock of Canada geese after takeff and sucked birds into both engines on one side. The plane rolled into the dead engines and plowed straight in...killed everyone on board. Shortly after that they started the Bird Aircraft Strike Hazard (BASH) program. I was at Andrews at the time and suggested that we would look really stupid if AF-1 sucked some birds into the engines after takeoff and crashed. We had three large ponds right past the end of the runways (parallel) that had quite a few resident geese and ducks. I was elected game warden for the base and was told to get rid of them....it took a while, but it eventually worked. The $1.2M they spent on a propane canon system hadn't worked out so well...they got used to the sound and wouldn't budge. I found more "persuasive" methods. The problem with the jet engines is a combination of size, RPMs and how light/brittle the fan blades are. They have to be light, thin and very hard which makes them vulnerable. All engines are tested and certified for bird ingestion, but I doubt they test with anything as large as a goose and I don't think they test for multiple strikes. The crash in AK had more than one bird going in each engine if memory serves me. Once you break or bend one of those long fan blades it creates a huge imbalance and even if it will still run, it'll shake itself off it's mount if left under more than minimal thrust...a bad deal all the way around. I suspect that the crew today had either an idling engine left or partial power to run the hydraulics for the flight controls. I'm not certain on the A320, but some planes can run the hydraulic system off the auxiliary power unit (which is typically left on in twin engine jets for takeoff just for this reason)...so it's possible they had an engine windmilling and could run the pump off the APU. If the engines both seized then they couldn't run the pump off the APU. It'll be a very interesting read when the NTSB issues the report. I think they're going to find a lot of goose dents on the wings when they get that plane out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I suspect that the crash investigators are excited about the prospects of getting a downed plane that's in one piece. There's probably a phenomenal amount of information they can gleen from an unwrecked wreckage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 That is some really good flying !! Commercial jet, fully loaded, double deadstick ?? What kind of AOA did he pull to keep the airspeed and get to where it was clear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slabbie Shooter Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Airbuses (airbi?) are fly by wire. No hydraulics. So as long they have electrics they're good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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