Carmoney

Not only that, Cliff did not have the chance to walk stages beforehand. He developed a plan for each stage (a different plan from anyone else) during the 4-minute walk-through. And these were complex stages. Pretty amazing.

This was a challenging but very fun match. None of us made it through clean. Cliff shot better than anyone, with only one miss and no other penalties.

A 625 was actually a good choice for this match.

I have witnessed Jerry requesting targets be pulled on numerous occasions. On the majority of these occasions, he was granted two hits on the target. He always made sure the RM knew it was his target being reviewed, and he usually offered some sort of commentary, such as "I had a pretty good sight picture on that one." It didn't matter if it was a 20-yard swinger, if there was only one hole visible, he would have the target pulled.

If you're talking about the 2009 Nationals, there were no significant scoring issues or arguments in our squad. At another USPSA Nationals, Jerry did argue for and successfully get another shooter's double thrown out by the RM. I was on the squad that year also. Now, Jerry was in fact correct about the bad call made by the RO, but it was rather surprising to see Jerry get involved in questioning another shooter's target and requesting that the target be pulled. Strangely, the other shooter was awarded a re-shoot (which was another officiating mistake), but he had a bad re-shoot run. The overall outcome of the match was not affected--Jerry would have won that year either way.

Cliff Walsh won the 2009 Revolver Nationals in Vegas.

Once again, I was on the squad with Rob and Jerry in 2013 at PASA Park. It was quite a race to witness. There was always a particular flavor to the stages of the Single Stack Classic (which later became the SS/Revo Nationals), but they were far from being bullseye matches! You knew there would be a long standards, and you knew there would be an all-steel stage. The rest of the stages were a mix of longer and shorter field courses--normal practical shooting stuff. SSC stages were sometimes deceptive in their apparent simplicity, and could be a little more technically demanding than what we had in Tulsa or Vegas (or in PASA prior to those venues). But nothing crazy. My impression of the reason why Jerry hung it up after he narrowly beat Rob in 2013 was that Jerry knew his absolute lock on first place was coming to an end. Back in 2006 when I first shot USPSA against Jerry, everyone else was shooting for second place, and struggling to get to 80% of Jerry's match score. But everyone plateaus at a certain point--it's inevitable. By 2010, things had changed--other shooters had advanced to the point where Jerry was getting serious pressure. Matt Griffin finished 99-99% of Jerry in 2010, 2011, and 2012. And in 2011 Jerry only beat Matt by less than one match point (out of nearly 1800 match points available that match). In 2014, Rob won a very close bout against Olhasso and Wolfe. And then in 2015, on the same exact type of PASA stages, with everybody running 8-shooters, Dave narrowly took first place over Rob. I guess my point is that if Jerry wanted to make sure he went out on top, he picked the right time to walk away. He would have certainly remained a contender for a number of years after he left USPSA Nationals, but a number of other shooters had reached pretty much the same skill level, and Jerry knew it.

Looks like I'm coming in late on this part of the conversation, but I just wanted to let you guys know I was on the squad with Jerry at Vegas the year he came in second place at USPSA Revolver Nationals. I witnessed everything of importance that happened during that match, and I will be happy to answer any questions you may have. By the way, the winner of the Revolver match was also on that same super squad with Jerry and me.

About 30 years ago, Taurus tried to gain a foothold in the realm of competition shooting--even sponsoring a few shooters, including Tom Drazy who was running Taurus revolvers. I should say that Tom was trying to run Taurus revolvers, because he had endless problems trying to keep the guns functional.

Agree. Just make sure you keep careful control of your Dremel, and don't let it "ZING" along the outside of the cylinder. I have (ahem) heard of that happening....

So is this only going to be a half-day match, then?

Warren, you have been a valuable and forthcoming source of great information and insight over the years--for all of us!

Yes. It gets confusing, but that is what we're talking about here

Remember all the cylinder peening issues that dominated the conversation here for several years? Everybody wanted to blame poor metallurgy from the factory, but the truth is that most of those problems were caused by abusive handling. (And for the record, a practiced shooter can quickly reload with the weak hand without slapping the cylinder closed every freaking time.)

I have been preaching on this forum for 15 years trying to persuade wheelgunners that once you have things set up to your liking, you only take off the sideplate when there is a problem. And problems are pretty rare.