JimmyZip Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) At our local stock gun match Saturday, i saw a shooter do something I've never seen before. The stage started with gun unloaded on table, and all mags on table. Three arrays of three targets, reload mandatory between arrays. This shooter laid his pistol grip facing right, with his first mag four inches (about) to the right of pistol, in line with magwell. On signal, he just slid QUICKLY his mag into the gun as it was layng on its side, lifted the gun, racked the slide and started shooting. This was WAY faster than anythind else I've seen, It was cool to watch too! Anyone else do this also? JZ Thanks Flex for moving this Edited September 8, 2008 by JimmyZip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 You found the gamer crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Wouldn't that have to be four inches to the left for a right handed shooter - grab the gun in the right hand, and at the same time push the mag in before lifting the gun? Or, do you mean he pushed the mag in with his right hand (holding the gun steady with his left hand), and then picked up the gun? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted September 8, 2008 Author Share Posted September 8, 2008 Bingo Jack! He slid the mag with his right hand into the pistol and smoothly ( and quickly!) picked up the pistol and racked the slide. His left hand was palm open on its side steadying the pistol or providing resistance to allow the mag to seat. I asked him about it after and he said that way his left hand is already there to rack the slide as he lifts the pistol with his right hand. Hose away! Sure was cool to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 on the 3GM outtake..Angus does this too..when it works..its pretty slick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) Helps to have a mag well. On a table surface where this works well, it is consistently a tenth faster for me - sometimes a little more. Oh... and no reason to have the mag 4 inches away (unless it has to be on some specific point on the table). Slide the mag in and then back out until its just not touching the gun.... Good to go... and lined up correctly on the grip, too.... Edited September 8, 2008 by XRe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Moved the thread out of "questions that don't ft anywhere"...cause..it does fit somewhere, - Admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Seen it, but to me it's unreliable and slower. Basic rule of thumb - get your grip as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) on the 3GM outtake..Angus does this too..when it works..its pretty slick Good to see these guys sometimes !@#* up too! For me it is unreliable. BK Edited September 8, 2008 by bkeeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Seen it, but to me it's unreliable and slower. Basic rule of thumb - get your grip as soon as possible. "to" you, or "for" you??? I did the tests... on several occasions.... for me, its always a tenth faster, sometimes more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 really hard to do on a production gun..tried it for fun last summer while practicing..just couldn't hit reliably enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Yeah, magwell makes a huge difference.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 on the 3GM outtake..Angus does this too..when it works..its pretty slick What was that at 1:47?? Reverse Gangsta style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 really hard to do on a production gun..tried it for fun last summer while practicing..just couldn't hit reliably enough. +1 I've done it with a Glock and it works well on a carpeted surface. You have to press the gun down with the left hand to make the magwell (mag opening?) even with the mag and slide the mag in with the right hand. I then rolled the gun up on the mag with my right hand to insure it was seated. It works, its fast, I don't think I would do it on a hard surface in competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Done it, first time ate shit in a fumble. then I practiced it a little and now it's pretty slick. Whenever you do it you get the what the hell was that supposed to be, afterwards !! The key it to slide the mag in like you mean it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hany Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 This is actually UBERGAMING.... Highly refined german engineered gaming! I can just see myself knocking mag off the table, and spining the pistol around pointing at the RO's belt buckle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) This is actually UBERGAMING.... Highly refined german engineered gaming!I can just see myself knocking mag off the table, and spining the pistol around pointing at the RO's belt buckle... I've done it twice in a match. Screwed it up royally the first time (had never practiced it). The second time was in an IDPA match about 3 days after I'd practiced it a half-dozen times, with quite a few 'tactical training' types watching. And it worked perfectly. THAT was fun. If you're not getting called a gamer, you're shooting IDPA all wrong, right? IMO, it works pretty well on a hard surface with a Glock. The key is to mash the gun into the table with the heel of your strong palm, near the base of the grip. This keeps the gun still. And keep the mag toward the back of the magwell - every time Ive screwed it up, the mag hits the FRONT of the magwell. Edited September 30, 2008 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike cyrwus Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I got my first DQ doing this. -AND I USED TO PRACTICE IT! no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 19 rounds in mag....good. 20 rounds in mag....bad. : ) I really like it if I don't have to start with a plumb full mag. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskySig Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I watched Jeff DeGracia do it on Stage 3 of LPR Nationals a few weeks ago. Caught a few of the guys on the Super Squad by surprise. mattk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I watched Jeff DeGracia do it on Stage 3 of LPR Nationals a few weeks ago. Caught a few of the guys on the Super Squad by surprise. I decided specifically to not do it on that stage, because you were starting seated and well below the gun and mag. Trying to execute this load when you're in an awkward position basically negates the advantage - so you might as well opt for the less risky move... That table surface was fairly reasonable, but was starting to warp up a bit when we got there for OL10, so it maybe wasn't optimal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskySig Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 That table surface was fairly reasonable, but was starting to warp up a bit when we got there for OL10, so it maybe wasn't optimal.... After Jeff shot the stage and some of his squad members asked him what he had done. He explained that because the table was bowed upward that it was perfect for Production guns. You could aim the magazine more directly down the centerline of the frame. I wasn't that bold. mattk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I got my first DQ doing this. -AND I USED TO PRACTICE IT! no thanks. Care to share any more details on this? I was very tempted to do this this past weekend, but opted out last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Seen it, but to me it's unreliable and slower. Basic rule of thumb - get your grip as soon as possible. "to" you, or "for" you??? I did the tests... on several occasions.... for me, its always a tenth faster, sometimes more I've tested it as well and it's also a tenth faster for me, but less reliable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomasterblaster Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 HDF...High Disaster Factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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