B_RAD Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I got a Honcho and I’ve loaded up some #7 (9.8gr) and some CFE (7.2 gr). 9major and loading a 124 PD JHP V2 @1.165” I’m noticing the #7 might be a tad flatter, but it also dips down. Would it make sense to say that the more gas is causing this? Of course this is an awful time to be trying to develop a new load for a new gun/div but I’m bored so... thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 When is it dipping down? If late in the cycle it’s probably the recoil spring is too heavy. Shouldn’t need more than an 8 pounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 dipping on slide closing? you can probably tune that out with a lighter recoil spring. if you want to go down a deeper rabbit hole you can change the main springs and firing pin stop shape, this combined with bullet weight and powder choice give a bazillion options to get the feel and return you like the best, its unlikely that the timer will show much difference once you find a reliable load that functions 100% and practice with it, but you know that from CO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sarge said: When is it dipping down? If late in the cycle it’s probably the recoil spring is too heavy. Shouldn’t need more than an 8 pounder. 18 minutes ago, MikeBurgess said: dipping on slide closing? you can probably tune that out with a lighter recoil spring. if you want to go down a deeper rabbit hole you can change the main springs and firing pin stop shape, this combined with bullet weight and powder choice give a bazillion options to get the feel and return you like the best, its unlikely that the timer will show much difference once you find a reliable load that functions 100% and practice with it, but you know that from CO thank you for the suggestion. I’m using a 6lb. but yes. It does seem to be doing it at the end of the slide cycling. Though, I’m new to this gun and haven’t gotten the time behind it to really tell what’s going on, or if it’s going to be an issue. Edited May 10, 2021 by B_RAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Hello, try an 8lb spring and see how it does. Also try some 115's if you have some. I like 115's more than the 124's. 121's for IPSC works well. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Aircooled6racer said: Hello, try an 8lb spring and see how it does. Also try some 115's if you have some. I like 115's more than the 124's. 121's for IPSC works well. Thanks, Eric Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 36 minutes ago, B_RAD said: thank you for the suggestion. I’m using a 6lb. but yes. It does seem to be doing it at the end of the slide cycling. Though, I’m new to this gun and haven’t gotten the time behind it to really tell what’s going on, or if it’s going to be an issue. A 6 is too light for major loads. I think guys run those for minor. I ran a 7 with major loads for a short time. Gun was really flat but after a few matches the gun got dirty enough to have an occasional stoppage. I now run Wolff 8# variable and it will power through dirt and gunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Sarge said: A 6 is too light for major loads. I think guys run those for minor. I ran a 7 with major loads for a short time. Gun was really flat but after a few matches the gun got dirty enough to have an occasional stoppage. I now run Wolff 8# variable and it will power through dirt and gunk. Idk I’ve seen guys running 7 with 10 coils cut. Not me but I’ve seen it. He was also a champ an 10 x better than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, 36873687 said: Idk I’ve seen guys running 7 with 10 coils cut. Not me but I’ve seen it. He was also a champ an 10 x better than me Yeah. It might be an 8#? It came with the gun. It’s what PT out in it. Just can’t remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Hello, I like 8lb or 9lb ISMI recoil springs for my 9mm open pistols. They will work every time even when a little dirty. You won't have any feeding problems with the 8 or 9. If the pistol is built right a 8lb will work for minor loads also. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 PT includes a 6# spring with the Honcho for major loads. It seems very unlikely that such a light spring would be causing muzzle dip at the end of the cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, UpYoursPal said: PT includes a 6# spring with the Honcho for major loads. It seems very unlikely that such a light spring would be causing muzzle dip at the end of the cycle. My uneducated guess is all the gas is going up thru the ports and actually thrusting the muzzle down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Sarge said: A 6 is too light for major loads. I think guys run those for minor. I ran a 7 with major loads for a short time. Gun was really flat but after a few matches the gun got dirty enough to have an occasional stoppage. I now run Wolff 8# variable and it will power through dirt and gunk. 'Tis not the spring. It is not too light. The Honcho is set up for major with a 6# variable spring. Not sure if any of the PT sponsored shooters are here to chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I think it more likely your are applying too much pressure on the thumb rest and that is what is forcing it down. FWIW I run 10 lb. recoil springs in both my 2011 Open guns, and that is with 10.5 oz. slides and 9 and 8.5 oz. barrels. Slide to frame fit on both are tight, as in no play up, down or side-to-side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, zzt said: I think it more likely your are applying too much pressure on the thumb rest and that is what is forcing it down. FWIW I run 10 lb. recoil springs in both my 2011 Open guns, and that is with 10.5 oz. slides and 9 and 8.5 oz. barrels. Slide to frame fit on both are tight, as in no play up, down or side-to-side. Thank you for the response. I’ve noticed it while staying off the thumb rest. I shoot CO mostly so I don’t use one. Saying that, I’m open to looking at my grip. This is different gun that I haven’t shot a lot. Least not recently. so, it could be me. Edited May 10, 2021 by B_RAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 43 minutes ago, B_RAD said: Saying that, I’m open to looking at my grip. This is different gun that I haven’t shot a lot. Least not recently. so, it could be me. I've found that if I grip tightly with the intention of reducing muzzle flip, the gun dips on return. If I use a regular grip and pay no attention to flip, the dot returns to the same spot with no dip. So don't try to force the gun down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1207 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Sarge said: A 6 is too light for major loads. I think guys run those for minor. I ran a 7 with major loads for a short time. Gun was really flat but after a few matches the gun got dirty enough to have an occasional stoppage. I now run Wolff 8# variable and it will power through dirt and gunk. 6lb is what PT sells with their Honchos for Major EDIT: apologize, just saw that someone else already mentioned this Edited May 11, 2021 by jt1207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/10/2021 at 4:44 PM, B_RAD said: My uneducated guess is all the gas is going up thru the ports and actually thrusting the muzzle down. I mean, it would have to be an incredible amount of force OR you would have to have an astounding grip for that to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, UpYoursPal said: I mean, it would have to be an incredible amount of force OR you would have to have an astounding grip for that to happen IDK, just seems between the two powders I've tried in 9 major, the one with more gas has the dip and the other doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockader Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I also just started load development for 9mm major Honcho. I am used to shooting 9 minor in it. I immediately noticed the dot didn't rise at all but actually dipped substantially. I tried less powder, more powder, faster powder. I have a home range so it's easy to mess with it. What made the dip go away was just relaxing and easing up on the grip some, focusing on keeping the splits around .16 with a neutral pressure. Final load is 10 grains SWMP 124 MG at 1.175. Not sure if that will apply to you, but having never shot an open major gun its clear to me that I need to develop a slightly different technique. Heres a vid of my new laid back grip. 20210503_201733_1_2.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Blockader said: I also just started load development for 9mm major Honcho. I am used to shooting 9 minor in it. I immediately noticed the dot didn't rise at all but actually dipped substantially. I tried less powder, more powder, faster powder. I have a home range so it's easy to mess with it. What made the dip go away was just relaxing and easing up on the grip some, focusing on keeping the splits around .16 with a neutral pressure. Final load is 10 grains SWMP 124 MG at 1.175. Not sure if that will apply to you, but having never shot an open major gun its clear to me that I need to develop a slightly different technique. Heres a vid of my new laid back grip. 20210503_201733_1_2.mp4 Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockader Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Also meant to add that like you when I tried a faster powder (7.5 grains shooters world auto pistol) the dip went away even with my regular heavy grip. But the dot had a lot more jump, more than my minor load with the single port comp, and the impulse was much sharper. I much preferred the feel and flatness of the slow powder and figure I'll just learn how to shoot it even if it takes some time and primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoeShooting Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 On 5/10/2021 at 2:59 PM, Sarge said: A 6 is too light for major loads. I think guys run those for minor. I ran a 7 with major loads for a short time. Gun was really flat but after a few matches the gun got dirty enough to have an occasional stoppage. I now run Wolff 8# variable and it will power through dirt and gunk. i run a 7 with 11 coils cut off and it works fine....thats around a 5lb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 At this point I'm waiting to see someone post they cut all the coils off their spring. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 53 minutes ago, AverageJoeShooting said: i run a 7 with 11 coils cut off and it works fine....thats around a 5lb For the life of me I cannot understand cutting off so many coils. Why not just buy a 5 lb. variable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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