Bwillis Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Atlas Chaos shoots 2”high and right at 20 yards on hand racked rounds and then poa poi on rounds cycles thru recoil what could be the culprit? My ammo shoots great in my backup gun, ive had another person shoot my gun and produce the same issue with his ammo and my ammo. I sent my gun to atlas for the tune up package 11-13-19, was told 12-19-19 that it was finished received it today 1-3-20 untouched and in the same condition I sent it to them, no oil, no loctite and loose screws also witness marks I put on my springs before I sent the gun off were still there. (Cleaned it before I sent it to them) Edited January 4, 2020 by Bwillis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Recoil spring has less than 1k on it and is a 33 coil 8 lbs wolf with a wilson bump. 8-10k total rounds thru the gun. Edited January 3, 2020 by Bwillis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbob21 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 There’s probably lots of questions that people smarter than me might ask you...Just related to my experience with a chaos: is your comp loose at all? Misaligned? I’ve heard stories like this for both rifle and pistol that your bullets could be slightly grazing the comp on their way out.If both your ammo and your buddies ammo have the same accuracy results, it sounds like something to do with the barrel.My personal chaos had the set screw back out of the comp. it’ll loosen up after a few thousand rounds before I’ll re-loctite it again. Even loose, my bullets don’t touch the comp and I’m still accurate. I was told to send it back and they would weld it to my barrel but I hadn’t had a chance.Goodluck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, bigbob21 said: There’s probably lots of questions that people smarter than me might ask you... Just related to my experience with a chaos: is your comp loose at all? Misaligned? I’ve heard stories like this for both rifle and pistol that your bullets could be slightly grazing the comp on their way out. If both your ammo and your buddies ammo have the same accuracy results, it sounds like something to do with the barrel. My personal chaos had the set screw back out of the comp. it’ll loosen up after a few thousand rounds before I’ll re-loctite it again. Even loose, my bullets don’t touch the comp and I’m still accurate. I was told to send it back and they would weld it to my barrel but I hadn’t had a chance. Goodluck atlas pinned the comp in 2018 and I just checked the comp isn’t loose and it’s in alignment. By chance how many coils is your recoil spring? And do you use the wilson shock-buff? Thank you for the help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbob21 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I’ve changed my spring a couple times... through testing and as Adam says, find what poundage runs in your gun and stick with it. I do use the blue shockbuff. Just because the package says 8lbs doesn’t mean it’s 8.0lbs. I only cut coils if there’s excess coil bind when you push the whole recoil system through manually. The gun is not supposed to bottom out on a bunch of springs. It’s usually only a couple that I need to cut off if any.Mine will run at around 7.5-8lbs any less and it won’t feed right, any more and it’ll dip down on closing. I feel like the recoil/gun is softer/flatter at around 6.5lbs of spring but I can’t trust it The spring weight shouldn’t affect the accuracy tho, especially with 1 shot at a time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Did the gun have the same problem before you sent it away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sarge said: Did the gun have the same problem before you sent it away? yes the accuracy issue is the reason I sent it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Atlas Chaos shoots 2”high and right at 20 yards on hand racked rounds and then poa poi on rounds cycles thru recoil what could be the culprit? My ammo shoots great in my backup gun, ive had another shooter shot my gun and produce the same issue with his ammo and my ammo. I sent my gun to atlas for the tune up package 11-13-19, was told 12-19-19 that it was finished received it today 1-3-20 untouched and in the same condition I sent it to them, no oil, no loctite and loose screws also witness marks I put on my springs before I sent the gun off were still there. (Cleaned it before I sent it to them) Trash tune up serviceSent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, bigbob21 said: I’ve changed my spring a couple times... through testing and as Adam says, find what poundage runs in your gun and stick with it. I do use the blue shockbuff. Just because the package says 8lbs doesn’t mean it’s 8.0lbs. I only cut coils if there’s excess coil bind when you push the whole recoil system through manually. The gun is not supposed to bottom out on a bunch of springs. It’s usually only a couple that I need to cut off if any. Mine will run at around 7.5-8lbs any less and it won’t feed right, any more and it’ll dip down on closing. I feel like the recoil/gun is softer/flatter at around 6.5lbs of spring but I can’t trust it The spring weight shouldn’t affect the accuracy tho, especially with 1 shot at a time? the accuracy problem is only on hand racked rounds, my thought maybe I cut to many coils and it doesn’t have enough ummph to lock all the way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bwillis said: I sent my gun to atlas for the tune up package 11-13-19, was told 12-19-19 that it was finished received it today 1-3-20 untouched and in the same condition I sent it to them, no oil, no loctite and loose screws also witness marks I put on my springs before I sent the gun off were still there. (Cleaned it before I sent it to them) Aside from shipping, did you pay for this "tune up"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, echotango said: Aside from shipping, did you pay for this "tune up"? Yes $250 shipping is included both ways, I called atlas today when I received my gun back and noticed it was just like I sent it. Adam only offered to talk to his gunsmith Monday as he had left early today. Edited January 4, 2020 by Bwillis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Sorry to hear. Sounds like a sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Gun isn’t fully locking up when you hand cycle the rounds. Next Range trip try slamming the slide home when loading it. There are quite a few other threads about this exact “phenomenon”, provided that is what you are referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, lacivilian said: Gun isn’t fully locking up when you hand cycle the rounds. Next Range trip try slamming the slide home when loading it. There are quite a few other threads about this exact “phenomenon”, provided that is what you are referring to. THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevrofreak Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Any chance the barrel link is stretched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, lacivilian said: Gun isn’t fully locking up when you hand cycle the rounds. Next Range trip try slamming the slide home when loading it. There are quite a few other threads about this exact “phenomenon”, provided that is what you are referring to. I tried that when I first noticed the issue. I would rack the slide as hard and fast as I could and push forward once the slide was at rest to no avail. I also tried the magazines with varying rounds counts thinking maybe a full magazine was slowing the slide down. 27 minutes ago, chevrofreak said: Any chance the barrel link is stretched? I don’t see either hole with oval or abnormal shapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bwillis said: I tried that when I first noticed the issue. I would rack the slide as hard and fast as I could and push forward once the slide was at rest to no avail. I also tried the magazines with varying rounds counts thinking maybe a full magazine was slowing the slide down. We’re you pushing the slide forward as hard as you can? You should be able to fix the issue by not releasing the slide once you pull it back. Hold the racker and slam it forward. If that doesn’t fix it I have no other advice. That’s worked for pretty much everyone with the same symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, lacivilian said: We’re you pushing the slide forward as hard as you can? You should be able to fix the issue by not releasing the slide once you pull it back. Hold the racker and slam it forward. If that doesn’t fix it I have no other advice. That’s worked for pretty much everyone with the same symptoms. Yes, I was pushing the slide as hard as I can. I’ll go to the range Sunday and try the method of slamming it home vs slingshot and push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I'm not an Atlas fan boy so take this for what it's worth. Ask them to do the work they said they would, first of all.Since they didn't do it to begin with and they should pay shipping both ways again since they didn't do it to begin with. Or Ask them for your money back and send it to some one else who will actually do the work and check the pistol out. Usually it is a lock up problem if the gun doesn't shoot the first round in the same group as the rest of them Always give the vendor an opportunity to make it right. They get a lot of good reviews here so hopefully it was just a holiday miss que! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrly Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Adam will fix the problem.. They will make it right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Furrly said: Adam will fix the problem.. They will make it right! And here comes the fan boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANFARM Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Don’t get the fanboy nonsense. Give Adam a chance to make it right......then get back to us. Yea, I’m a multi Atlas owner and throughly satisfied with the entire process....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim300wsm Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Tell them you’re opening a dispute with your CC company that should speed up the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QUATTROISKING Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 It’s barrel figment obviously, when hand racking you aren’t going to generate the same force as you can while the gun is going its recoil process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwillis Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Adam called me today and I’m sending the pistol back to find the issue and complete the tuneup package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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