StuckinMS Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) On 7/27/2017 at 10:03 AM, Oldminger said: A dropped gun with a light trigger and no grip safety...uhmmm! Please research Richard Cho Then what ? Glocks should be banned from limited division and m&ps...? That's getting a little out of hand. Just drill and pin as I lined out earlier or use a rubber band or tape like some of the others have suggested. Edited July 30, 2017 by StuckinMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcalvert Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Definitely pinning is the way to go. With the proper grip, Thumb up on safety most folks have trouble reliably disengaging them. It is easy to reverse by simply removing the main spring housing to access and remove the pin. calvert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 6 hours ago, ltdmstr said: Good luck convincing the injured party of that one. It's a pretty safe bet that plaintiff is going to sue anyone who is even remotely involved. And surely that's going to include the person that modified the firearm. On top of that, there are enormous jurisdictional variations in standards of responsibility and personal liability, So a blanket statement like that is essentially worthless. Not any more worthless than the one you just made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Here's the deal. Pin it. Whack it off. Or, leave it alone. It's your choice. But, if (or when) you lose a stage because your gun didn't go off from a poor grip then don't complain. Take comfort in knowing that when you sell the gun the guy you sold it to won't be suing you because the grip safety doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, MikieM said: Here's the deal. Pin it. Whack it off. Or, leave it alone. It's your choice. But, if (or when) you lose a stage because your gun didn't go off from a poor grip then don't complain. Take comfort in knowing that when you sell the gun the guy you sold it to won't be suing you because the grip safety doesn't work. Wise words of wisdom. ???NOT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conditionone Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Another Shock Buff user here. No drilling or alteration to any components. Fast and easy to install and easier to remove if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 27 minutes ago, revoman said: Wise words of wisdom. ???NOT ? Which part? The pinning, the whacking, or the forgetting it all together, and leaving it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 "Take comfort in knowing that when you sell the gun the guy you sold it to won't be suing you because the grip safety doesn't work." Just until someone gets hurt. Hope it nevers happens but a gun with a 3/4lb to 1 1/2lb trigger and grip safety not working and it is dropped or in the hands of a new and inexperienced shooter. Bummer for all involved. Even though it has not happened that we know of and it could have happened but no one was hurt. Why take the chance. Just my 2 cents worth which is probably not worth 2 cents. Me when I do shoot mt 1911's or 2011's I practice my grip to insure the grip safety is activated. Don't have to worry much on my revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 6 hours ago, revoman said: "Take comfort in knowing that when you sell the gun the guy you sold it to won't be suing you because the grip safety doesn't work." Just until someone gets hurt. Hope it nevers happens but a gun with a 3/4lb to 1 1/2lb trigger and grip safety not working and it is dropped or in the hands of a new and inexperienced shooter. Bummer for all involved. Even though it has not happened that we know of and it could have happened but no one was hurt. Why take the chance. Just my 2 cents worth which is probably not worth 2 cents. Me when I do shoot mt 1911's or 2011's I practice my grip to insure the grip safety is activated. Don't have to worry much on my revolver. I prefer a grip with no functioning "safety". Some prefer no grip safety at all. I have never heard of it making a 1911 more dangerous than it otherwise is---with no finger on the trigger. Sheriff Jim Wilson wrote a little about this several years ago. Nice little article: http://sheriffjimwilson.com/2011/09/30/one-to-rely-on/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Good article, Caspian, years ago, was going to do something similar to that - one piece "backstrap" - but guns varied so much it would not work on a lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Bruce said: I prefer a grip with no functioning "safety". Some prefer no grip safety at all. I have never heard of it making a 1911 more dangerous than it otherwise is---with no finger on the trigger. Sheriff Jim Wilson wrote a little about this several years ago. Nice little article: http://sheriffjimwilson.com/2011/09/30/one-to-rely-on/ I am just saying in some hands this is not good as Jim Wilson quoted " I don’t recommend this for novice shooters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 38 minutes ago, revoman said: I am just saying in some hands this is not good as Jim Wilson quoted " I don’t recommend this for novice shooters" Better make sure you install a 6#+ trigger before you sell, and don't sell any of those hi-capacity mags, ya know the ones that kill babies and children. Also a good idea to remove the RDS, those are super dangerous in inexperienced hands as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 And be sure to attach a lanyard, to keep novices from dropping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, toothandnail said: Better make sure you install a 6#+ trigger before you sell, and don't sell any of those hi-capacity mags, ya know the ones that kill babies and children. Also a good idea to remove the RDS, those are super dangerous in inexperienced hands as well. Don't forget to mandate mag disconnects for all guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Boy you auto guys are testie but then you are all pros and know all the tricks to make you better shooters. Too bad you can't recognize a troll or maybe you spend too much time looking for the best gimmick to make you a better shooter. I'm out a here but pin and whack away but don't whack too hard as it will bruise. ✌out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 All in fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 11 hours ago, revoman said: Boy you auto guys are testie but then you are all pros and know all the tricks to make you better shooters. Too bad you can't recognize a troll or maybe you spend too much time looking for the best gimmick to make you a better shooter. I'm out a here but pin and whack away but don't whack too hard as it will bruise. ✌out We're always a little testy when a troll like you shows up. Did you not read what the good Sheriff said about grip safeties? Weren't you paying attention when it was mentioned that John Browning's original design didn't include a grip safety? Aren't you aware that two of the most popular guns in Production Division, the Tanfoglio and CZ, don't have grip safeties? Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 45 minutes ago, MikieM said: We're always a little testy when a troll like you shows up. Did you not read what the good Sheriff said about grip safeties? Weren't you paying attention when it was mentioned that John Browning's original design didn't include a grip safety? Aren't you aware that two of the most popular guns in Production Division, the Tanfoglio and CZ, don't have grip safeties? Go away. Amen to this. We don't do trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 43 minutes ago, MikieM said: We're always a little testy when a troll like you shows up. Did you not read what the good Sheriff said about grip safeties? Weren't you paying attention when it was mentioned that John Browning's original design didn't include a grip safety? Aren't you aware that two of the most popular guns in Production Division, the Tanfoglio and CZ, don't have grip safeties? Go away. Come on man. Revoman has been a valued, contributing member here for 12 years. Not likely he will, "go away", anytime soon. Nor should he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Sarge said: Come on man. Revoman has been a valued, contributing member here for 12 years. Not likely he will, "go away", anytime soon. Nor should he. Well, he hasn't got much value on this thread, does he? And further more, do you think that post count and longevity gives a member a pass to say what he, or she pleases, without repercussions? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, MikieM said: And further more, do you think that post count and longevity gives a member a pass to say what he, or she pleases, without repercussions? No I don't. But the same goes for somebody who has only been here since 2015. The truth is, trolls or other rifraf don't last long on these forums so if somebody makes it 12 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, Sarge said: No I don't. But the same goes for somebody who has only been here since 2015. So then how long do I have to keep my mouth shut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 34 minutes ago, MikieM said: So then how long do I have to keep my mouth shut? You don't. Having a zillion posts makes one prolific but not necessarily right. Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 31 minutes ago, teros135 said: You don't. Having a zillion posts makes one prolific but not necessarily right. Carry on! Thank you, Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrymSIX Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 When pinning a grip safety for a competition gun it isn't much of a safety or liability risk since it's going to sit in a safe unloaded when its not in use. The redundant safeties aren't necessary. That said, its also personal preference. I got my 2011 and undid the pinned grip safety to reactivate it. For me its just piece of mind because I'm fairly new to shooting, not just action shooting. It will be easy enough for me to re pin if I want, but my hand seems to have meat in the right spot, as I've never had a GS issue even with a bad grip that I had to adjust mid stage. Do what you feels best for you. If you are going to disable it I would suggest some form of pinning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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