Sumtoc Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Has anyone measured and compared the MV and PF between their minor pistol load and the same load in their PCC? I'd be curious to know the load, PF in both pistol and PCC (including barrel length). Thanks! Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Hello: Depending on the pistol and PCC barrel lengths etc. it is between 10-20PF difference. So if your pistol is 130PF your PCC will be about 148PF. That is what the difference is on my pistol loads and my 16" PCC. I have separate loads for each. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 147 gr Xtreme RN over 3.5 gr N-320 Glock 34 > 135 PF PSA PCC (16") > 147 PF Reduced the load by 0.5 gr for new PCC load at 132 PF Link to comment
OPENB Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 About the same for me. My 130pf PCC loads only make 120 in a Glock 34. I'm loading seperate minor ammo for the two. My PCC is an 10.5" SBR. Link to comment
XD Niner Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 My experience mirror's Eric's exactly. For my minor 9mm loads through a 5.25-inch XDM, I use 124 Montana Gold CMJ 4.8 grains CFE Pistol 1.154 OAL Winchester small pistol primer = 1050 fps = 130.2 PF In my 16-inch PSA AR-9 this load produced a velocity of 1193 fps and a 147.9 PF! I've reduced the OAL to 1.10 and the powder load to 4.3 grains of CFE pistol to drop the PCC velocity to 1085 fps producing a 135.4.PF. I may drop the load another 0.2 grains and see what that does. Link to comment
bjburton Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I had more extreme results with my pistol load using CFE Pistol. My 147's were pushing 133PF out of the pistol but out of the rifle it was pushing 167PF. This is coming from a G17 to a 16" rifle. Link to comment
2MoreChains Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 132 PF out of my 16" PCC is about 115 PF out of a 5" pistol. Link to comment
Patrick Scott Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 My 147gr Production loads go 130pf out of my pair of CZ Shadows and 147pf out of my 16" PCC. Link to comment
rowdyb Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 From a 5" barrelled pistol to a 16" barrelled carbine I gain about 10pf out of my loads. Rounds go from 880fps in my pistola to 910 in my carbine. Link to comment
Josht101 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 3/14/2017 at 1:49 PM, bjburton said: I had more extreme results with my pistol load using CFE Pistol. My 147's were pushing 133PF out of the pistol but out of the rifle it was pushing 167PF. This is coming from a G17 to a 16" rifle. That's by far the largest jump ive ever heard of Link to comment
Steve RA Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 It would seem to me it would be less complicated to use the pistol load in both. That way you would only need to load one for both. I doubt if the average jump in the PF would make the PCC much harder, if any, to shoot well with. Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 In my case, by dropping from PF 147 (pistol loads) to PF 132 (dedicated PCC loads) I could tell a good difference. Enough to make it worthwhile to set up a second toolhead. I'm still running a birdcage so if I ever pony up for a comp, I may need to revisit. Bill Link to comment
cnote Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 On March 18, 2017 at 0:00 PM, Flatland Shooter said: In my case, by dropping from PF 147 (pistol loads) to PF 132 (dedicated PCC loads) I could tell a good difference. Enough to make it worthwhile to set up a second toolhead. I'm still running a birdcage so if I ever pony up for a comp, I may need to revisit. Bill Are you just talking dot movement or actually feeling the difference in recoil. If that makes sense.... Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, cnote said: Are you just talking dot movement or actually feeling the difference in recoil. If that makes sense.... Both. I still have some dot movement but not nearly as much with the reduced power loads. And recoil decrease to .22 LR levels. With hotter loads my PCC had more recoil than my .223 match gun. Link to comment
Xanatos903 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 On 3/14/2017 at 1:49 PM, bjburton said: I had more extreme results with my pistol load using CFE Pistol. My 147's were pushing 133PF out of the pistol but out of the rifle it was pushing 167PF. This is coming from a G17 to a 16" rifle. What was your load with CFE? Link to comment
vscorsa Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Is there a minimum PF for PCC? Link to comment
XD Niner Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Yes, per USPSA Appendix D8 the minimum PF for PCC is 125 which is considered "minor.". That is the same as for Production, Carry Optics and minor in Limited, L10 and SS. There is no minimum PF for Steel Challenge. Edited March 21, 2017 by XD Niner Link to comment
barrysuperhawk Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I am actually intentionally shooting hotter ammo to see if the comp I just put on the barrel can be made to work. The jury is still out on that, but it is at least louder and less of an issue for the RO to pick up my shots... Link to comment
armedmoose Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Playing with some new powder and bullets today: Blue Bullets 147gr and CFE Pistol 3.7gr. Came out at: 137 Power Factor out of a CZ 75B SP01 (AVG 934 and SD of 9) 160 Power Factor out of my 16" PCC (AVG 1088 and SD of 18) Going to try and drop another 7 Power factor to see if it make a change, recoil was terrible. Link to comment
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