PrimaryBruce Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I've been shooting for about 8 years now, so certainly not new to shooting at all. No matter what, I get those shaky hands (I guess it's nervousness or maybe just excitement jitters?) until I get through 2-3 mags, which is why I call it warm up jitters. Even if it's just a range trip and not a competition. Anyone else get this? Remedies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Had this for years. Adrenalin gets too high and hands start shaking. I find it quite effective to drink a fresh orange juice and eat some candy/pastry half an hour before I use the gun. (I have mild hypoglycaemia, so my blood sugar might get too low because of the adrenalin). Talking to some old shooters they said that in the '80s (when they were competing) it was very common to have some sugar cubes before each match (apparently the blood sugar cycle has the effect of calming the nerves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I was listening to a podcast (and now I don't remember which one, Ben Stoeger's maybe?) which at some point addressed this issue, the "first stage jitters". This was an interesting one to me, because I get them at every major match at the first stage, stomach flutters, heart racing, shaky knees, etc. The podcast had a brilliant insight, or at least I thought it was brilliant. What you are experiencing is your body getting into fight or flight mode. Your body is trying to shut off functions not needed for a fight, turning up your heart rate and breathing to get you pumped up and ready for what is coming, blood is being pumped into the muscles, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response Once I started thinking of it this way, I decided to embrace it. My body is trying to get me ready to go faster, stronger, further. Sure, some of its choices might be poor (damn it, I don't need you to loosen my bowels and bladder right now, that might work on the savanna but its embarrassing on the range), some of the loss of fine motor control and the shaking aren't going to come in handy, but just being aware that this is what is going on means you can stop fighting it and adjust your reactions to it. I now welcome it, while still dreading it a bit. Better knowing what is going on, means I can work on accepting the positives and mitigating the negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimaryBruce Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Had this for years. Adrenalin gets too high and hands start shaking. I find it quite effective to drink a fresh orange juice and eat some candy/pastry half an hour before I use the gun. (I have mild hypoglycaemia, so my blood sugar might get too low because of the adrenalin). Talking to some old shooters they said that in the '80s (when they were competing) it was very common to have some sugar cubes before each match (apparently the blood sugar cycle has the effect of calming the nerves) I'll have to give this a shot, thanks for the response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzw26n Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This is very interesting! I never thought about it that way. Like the OP, I viewed it as 'warm up jitters'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimaryBruce Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 I was listening to a podcast (and now I don't remember which one, Ben Stoeger's maybe?) which at some point addressed this issue, the "first stage jitters". This was an interesting one to me, because I get them at every major match at the first stage, stomach flutters, heart racing, shaky knees, etc. The podcast had a brilliant insight, or at least I thought it was brilliant. What you are experiencing is your body getting into fight or flight mode. Your body is trying to shut off functions not needed for a fight, turning up your heart rate and breathing to get you pumped up and ready for what is coming, blood is being pumped into the muscles, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response Once I started thinking of it this way, I decided to embrace it. My body is trying to get me ready to go faster, stronger, further. Sure, some of its choices might be poor (damn it, I don't need you to loosen my bowels and bladder right now, that might work on the savanna but its embarrassing on the range), some of the loss of fine motor control and the shaking aren't going to come in handy, but just being aware that this is what is going on means you can stop fighting it and adjust your reactions to it. I now welcome it, while still dreading it a bit. Better knowing what is going on, means I can work on accepting the positives and mitigating the negatives. Hm, none of that ever even crossed my mind. Pretty cool! It is nice to know what's going on, but it is disruptive to say the least the first few mags. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Might mean that you're either shooting too infrequently (make a BIG deal out of it when you go) or you're shooting a very powerful/noisy/hard recoiling gun??? Or your ear protection is insufficient. Try running a few mags of .22 ammo double muffed at the beginning, or get out to the range more often. Reminds me of the guy in a class telling everyone he has sex once a year, and they asked him why he was so excited - is reply - "Tonights the night". It's exciting enough if you have' sex every day, but once a year, and it's a Really BIG deal .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimaryBruce Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Might mean that you're either shooting too infrequently (make a BIG deal out of it when you go) or you're shooting a very powerful/noisy/hard recoiling gun??? Or your ear protection is insufficient. Try running a few mags of .22 ammo double muffed at the beginning, or get out to the range more often. Reminds me of the guy in a class telling everyone he has sex once a year, and they asked him why he was so excited - is reply - "Tonights the night". It's exciting enough if you have' sex every day, but once a year, and it's a Really BIG deal .... Not getting to the range enough is certainly an issue. 2-3 times a month isn't near what I'd like to be able to do. But, not having a range close by, etc, makes it tougher to get to the range as often as I'd like. It's basically just enough to keep basic skills up. Edited September 9, 2015 by bruceg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Can you shoot a .22 more often? or a bb gun? (airsoft)??? What gun/caliber are you shooting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimaryBruce Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Can you shoot a .22 more often? or a bb gun? (airsoft)??? What gun/caliber are you shooting? 9mm. Glocks and CZ's. Edited September 9, 2015 by bruceg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I experience these too to an extent. Interesting about the blood sugar concept. It was glanced over already, but I did notice an improvement in my shooting, especially my blinking / flinching, when I went to double plugging at every match. (foamies under muffs) The quieter gun really makes it seem like you're running around with an airsoft gun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racnsoonr Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I used to get to the range early to try to burn a mag before the match signups started. Even at an empty bay without targets. I'm not sure if that's allowed, but it helps if you can pull it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimaryBruce Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 I experience these too to an extent. Interesting about the blood sugar concept. It was glanced over already, but I did notice an improvement in my shooting, especially my blinking / flinching, when I went to double plugging at every match. (foamies under muffs) The quieter gun really makes it seem like you're running around with an airsoft gun! May have to give it a shot. The sound of guns has never bothered me. Even when I was young and did dumb stuff like shoot all day with zero hearing protection. But hell, maybe it's a subliminal thing. Next time I'll try plugs under my muffs instead of just muffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 read Lanny Bassham's book "With Winning In Mind". If you can put into practice his techniques you can cure this straight away ... of course if you really do suffer from low blood suger you'll need to address that directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robport Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I've gotten this several times, usually not at the start of the match. Since it was usually very hot, I thought it was just dehydration and drank a few bottles of water for it. Next time....It's M&M peanuts for me! Good info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunBugBit Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Not sure you can ever get rid of the nervous feeling. The USPSA matches cause me more nervous feelings than club practice or Steel Challenge matches. I pick a stage to shoot first that will serve as a warm-up stage. Last match, I shot the "Tight Shots" stage first, and the nerves were very much in play when the start signal sounded. I shot the classifier as the third stage of the day and that one went well, having made it through the "big fancy stage" and having shot another that was pretty simple. I would not have shot the classifier first, nor last (when tired). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 just start shooting majors and you should quickly get over the "1st stage jitters" .... your first shot is just as important as your last .... a Mike on your first stage is the same as a Mike on your last stage .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuellX1 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Glad to a lot of people still get this. A lot of good advice as well thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I've found doing some solid dry fire with the timer the morning before a match to really help calm me down. As well as controlling my breathing. Bringing my attention to where it should be directed, NOT letting my body rule me and drive my attention elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Interesting. Although not surprising... Belief: A killer or a saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrosario Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 my local range has been doing what is referred to as first shot as the first stage in every match. IDPA target with the center cut out, youre staged 3 yards away facing target, on buzzer pull and fire 3 rounds ( first mag loaded to 3) then reload and fire 3 more. It actually does help me out of some of those first shot jitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 read Lanny Bassham's book "With Winning In Mind". If you can put into practice his techniques you can cure this straight away ... +1 . Working on putting things in to practice properly . Recently for me trying to be 100% consistent with a good pre-shot routine (anyone remember Steve Alford shooting free throws?) seems to help get my head where it needs to be while under stress. It is not a complete cure by any means but it is a quick tool to pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4FunLP Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) I shot the Florida Open last year which was my first "big match" where I really tried to prepare myself. This was the first time I literally felt the butterflies in my stomach. I dropped a mag on my first two stages and forgot to reload one of my mags with ammo on the third. In fact the last stage was the only one I shot clean. What a goof..... A few of the more experienced guys told me I probably wouldn't find a more difficult match, so at least it was a confidence builder. As Nimitz said, I need to shoot more big matches. And I really need to perfect my stage programming and equipment check routine. Being 100% sure I'm ready to shoot the stage seems to help with nerves. and it obviously helps improve speed and reduce errors. Another thing I've found interesting is how much running around and practicing at match speed seems to improve accuracy. It may simply be that I'm just warmed up after starting my practice with group shooting and other warmups, but once I start running around everything seems to get better. Even in matches I seem to make more A zone hits than I can in practice. I think maybe the adrenalin and intensity improves my grip and focus. I think I read in a Ben Stoeger book to always do what you have to do to get "A"s in practice, and the adrenalin will naturally push you into the speed/performance you need in a match. It's a very interesting subject, and I think it's one of the best things about competitive shooting. Edited November 26, 2015 by Just4FunLP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericjhuber Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 And I really need to perfect my stage programming and equipment check routine. Being 100% sure I'm ready to shoot the stage seems to help with nerves. and it obviously helps improve speed and reduce errors. I did poorly at my major matches in Florida last year until the last one I shot (Doc Match at the WAC). My Florida State and Open were mediocre and I absolutely beclowned myself at 2015 A6. Match anxiety was one of my issues and it was one of the many reasons that A6 went badly for me. One of the things I'm doing different this year for my major shooting season (which starts next weekend with Factory Classic at the WAC) is minimizing distractions (no more photography when I'm actually shooting on a squad) and really getting into a set stage routine where I'm doing stage planning/visualization, patching/resetting, shooting, and then post-shooting prep (reloading mags, cleaning mags, hydrating, etc). Rinse, Lather, repeat. I've been practicing this routine at local club matches so really get it set and refined. Hopefully having a set routine and getting control of the elements I can plan for will help a bit with match anxiety. What was really nice last year was that one of the major matches (and I forget which one now....maybe the Open) at Frostproof had a stage set up where you could pony up a little bit of cash before the match and shoot some plates before the match to warm up. Nice to just get some rounds through the pistol before you start shooting for a score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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