window2time Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I know that "Best" is subjective and also occasionally provocative, but I would like to hear what everyone thinks is currently the best Open shotgun. What are the top Pros using in 3GN events for Open shotguns? What were the top finishers shooting with in Open at this year's Iron Man (wow, was that 6 slug spinners?)? If you don't think that it matters what the top pros are shooting because they shoot what their sponsor wants them to shoot, then just tell me what you think the best setup is in Open Shotgun for 3 gun and why. What brand shotgun? Tube magazine? Box mag? X-rail? What's the best setup? For the purposes of this discussion, lets say that cost is no object. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Many different scenarios can play out to give of them each an advantage. I think it really it match specific for which is better. Unloaded Starts - Edge to Box Fed Ammo Selection - Box Fed (Xrail only likes 3.25-3.5 dram loads) Anything over 13 rounds (Or however big the a mag can get for box fed - (23 round Tooth and Nail Mag) - Xrail (No reloads). Loading Slugs/Specialty Ammo on the fly - Xrail At the end of the day, I shoot an integrated Benelli M2 Xrail with a +2 on the main tube. That gives me 27 + 1 + 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-the new guy Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I have an MKA but I have not shot it much at all. I had an M2 with a speed chute and I didn't care for it at all. The MKA still only runs on 1300fps ammo and it kicks like a mule. I also had an M2 with a non integrated X-rail and it would not run. It went back to X-rail a bunch of times and it would run on 18.00 a box fiocchi shells. I traded it for other stuff. Hunter aka Nubs runs a saiga very well. Seems to have very few issues. Once I get the MKA dialed in I think I will like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) The only shotgun I've tried for open is the box fed MKA 1919 (in my case the pre-XN model). Once you've got everything lined out (broke in and magazines tuned) its a reliable delight to shoot. It runs good with quality 1145 fps shells. Controls are like the AR so learning the gun is quick. Reloads with the 10rd to 23rd box magazines is fast (I'm slow compared to many others, but 2.25 seconds in practice will not hold me back much). The only negative to this platform is finding some replacement parts. The bolt, locking block and drive block are weak areas. So far I've got well over 3000 rds through my match gun and its still holding together. Others have several times that many rounds in their guns without problems. Some others have had their's crater with less. Bill Edited June 16, 2015 by Flatland Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarvinPilgrim Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I shoot a Tooth & Nail MKA XN. It runs 100% on 1145 shells. I'm running a mid barrel comp with a Burris FF3 for a dot. They are great shotguns and in my opinion the best open shotgun out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inrut Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Tooth and Nail does some awesome things to the MKA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I shoot a Tooth & Nail MKA XN. It runs 100% on 1145 shells. I'm running a mid barrel comp with a Burris FF3 for a dot. They are great shotguns and in my opinion the best open shotgun out there. Plus one on this and a 23 round mag makes most stages pretty easy on the reloads. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase214 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 R&R saiga all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbs007 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Looked into it myself and decided on sending an MKA 1919-XN to Matt at Tooth & Nail. Currently running a 15% discount for Father's Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarvinPilgrim Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Looked into it myself and decided on sending an MKA 1919-XN to Matt at Tooth & Nail. Currently running a 15% discount for Father's Day. You won't be disappointed. Make sure to get at least 1-23 round mag also! EDIT: Sorry norbs. I mistook you for the OP when I posted. Edited June 16, 2015 by StarvinPilgrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Looked into it myself and decided on sending an MKA 1919-XN to Matt at Tooth & Nail. Currently running a 15% discount for Father's Day. Just a guess by your name/location, I believe yours shipped out today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Looked into it myself and decided on sending an MKA 1919-XN to Matt at Tooth & Nail. Currently running a 15% discount for Father's Day. You won't be disappointed. Make sure to get at least 1-23 round mag also! Those are also available from Tooth and Nail with the 15% Father's Day Discount. Ordered mine last week. Info on the discount code is in another thread here on the forum. Bill Edited June 17, 2015 by Flatland Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
window2time Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Great advice guys. I called Matt at Tooth & Nail today and placed my order. And yes, I also got a 23rd mag. Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarvinPilgrim Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Great advice guys. I called Matt at Tooth & Nail today and placed my order. And yes, I also got a 23rd mag. Looking forward to it. Congrats! With the 15% discount.......you should get 2 of them. You'll thank me after the next big match with a 40+ round shotgun stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
window2time Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 You are right of course. I just ordered more. I will have a total of 2 of the 23 rounders and 6 of the 10 rounders. Some of the 10 rounders will be cinched. It is a lot of mags to buy but you are right this is s good time to buy them. Thanks for the help Great advice guys. I called Matt at Tooth & Nail today and placed my order. And yes, I also got a 23rd mag. Looking forward to it. Congrats! With the 15% discount.......you should get 2 of them. You'll thank me after the next big match with a 40+ round shotgun stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatw Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 hi all, which other thread has the discount code thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarvinPilgrim Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 It was listed on their facebook page. "Use coupon code DADS15% at checkout." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I know that "Best" is subjective and also occasionally provocative, but I would like to hear what everyone thinks is currently the best Open shotgun. What are the top Pros using in 3GN events for Open shotguns? What were the top finishers shooting with in Open at this year's Iron Man (wow, was that 6 slug spinners?)? If you don't think that it matters what the top pros are shooting because they shoot what their sponsor wants them to shoot, then just tell me what you think the best setup is in Open Shotgun for 3 gun and why. What brand shotgun? Tube magazine? Box mag? X-rail? What's the best setup? For the purposes of this discussion, lets say that cost is no object. X rails fail more often than they work from what I have seen. I prefer R&R Saigas but the AKDAL is also a good choice. Between the Saiga and the AKDAL the AKDAL has better optics mounting solutions but it also has more recoil and is more ammo sensitive. The AKDAL is cheaper however. At the matches we host up here guys simply can not keep up using a standard tube mag and speed loaders. We sometimes have 38 round shotgun courses. Pat Edited June 19, 2015 by Alaskapopo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatw Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 thanks sp ,I was going to try dad15 if only for the bs factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Truly? The SPAS 15 is damn good, the Russian Molot factory works guns are real nice! The Finish Molots are real trick, and not one available here in the U.S. We are soon behind the curve on mag fed shotguns it is like comparing a model A Ford with a Phantom jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Come on Kurt, why tease us with guns we can't have. Might as well say that those new rail guns are the cat's meow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Kurt, you mean they run better than mine did at Nationals? Glad I could at least provide comic relief for the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Hey Pat, Three (no, four guys) guys come to mind that are contrary to your theory of tube mags and speed loaders being slower than box mag shooters; Jerry Miculek Mike Voigt Don Bednorz Craig Calkins Just saying, it can be done with tubes and loaders... jj Eta; and I know at least a couple of Xrail guys that can finish up there well above box mags too... I guess what I am saying is pick your platform and practice will make the most difference. Trying to buy a win usually don't work... I do enjoy the heck out a shooting my 1919 thou! Edited June 19, 2015 by RiggerJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetAwayDriva Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 And it can be done with a trusty old 1100, which Mr. Bednorz is absolutely amazing with.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Hey Pat, Three (no, four guys) guys come to mind that are contrary to your theory of tube mags and speed loaders being slower than box mag shooters; Jerry Miculek Mike Voigt Don Bednorz Craig Calkins Just saying, it can be done with tubes and loaders... Meaning absolutely no disrespect to anyone on your list, but can they load 23rd in under 2-1/2 seconds? Most newbies with a little practice with a Saiga or MKA 1919 can. Bill Edited June 20, 2015 by Flatland Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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