El Guapo Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 http://tarheel3gun.com/t3gn/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/3-Gun-Nation-REGIONAL-SERIES-RULES-2015-FINAL-FORMAT-v2.pdf I thought I would start this thread and get some opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I got confused by the sheer number of bold and underlined words in the first two pages and didn't finish reading them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I got confused by the sheer number of bold and underlined words in the first two pages and didn't finish reading them. I know!!! What's that about?? And I don't understand the difference between "grounding" and "Abandoning", you can't pick your gun up again after one, but you can after the other...at least I think that's what it said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I think the ROs are going to need cheat sheets for all those graduated penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Is it me or are the accuracy based penalties a bit too light? +2.5 for failure to neutralize? I'm also really not loving the current trend towards "kindness" on abandoned/dumped weapon and safeties. Its either safe do dump a gun somewhere strange or with the safety off in which case what are we penalizing or it isn't in which case we should be DQ'ing people. Edited January 3, 2015 by Vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffhughes Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't know about regional, but pro series rules have always been +2.5 for FTN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't know about regional, but pro series rules have always been +2.5 for FTN. Have they? I guess I see more +5's in other rule sets around my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4T2 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I woke up with this in my inbox as well. I'm not a fan of all the divisions being redone. I can understand adding a few but do you have to abandon the names everyone has come to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffhughes Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't know about regional, but pro series rules have always been +2.5 for FTN. Have they? I guess I see more +5's in other rule sets around my area. At least last year. I ROd all the pro series matches in 2014 and that is for sure how it went. 2.5 for FTN, 5 for missed target, 7.5 for FTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead-Head Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Thanks for posting that link Ryan... Now I need two motrin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 At least last year. I ROd all the pro series matches in 2014 and that is for sure how it went. 2.5 for FTN, 5 for missed target, 7.5 for FTE. My bad then, it just seems odd to me to use fractional seconds, might just well go all out and use multiples of pi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSnSC Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 2.5 is for paper. Clay or steel is a 5 second penalty, unless it's beyond 40 or 100 yds. I think the stock division is a good idea to get folks into the sport, but I think it replacing Limited / Tac Irons sucks. Heavy is muddled beyond recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I woke up with this in my inbox as well. I'm not a fan of all the divisions being redone. I can understand adding a few but do you have to abandon the names everyone has come to understand I'm also puzzled to see a number of rules sets, not just 3gn, make various statements about factory configurations ... err .. okie, but really who's 3gun rifle/shotgun/pistol is in "factory configuration"? WTH does that even mean anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I have to wonder if the name changes for the divisions is because the name "tactical" is scary to some. Kinda like paper targets w heads are scary. Of course, to those same people, real guns are kinda scary, so maybe there should also be an Airsoft division. Perhaps next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 They could have dumped the stupid 170mm pistol mag rule in open, I mean, "unlimited" and I would have been happy. I really dont get why they felt they needed to change the name of open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead-Head Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Looks like Factory is the replacement for Irons div. Big changes if no extended sight radius front sights allowed, or add on FF HGs. I have shot irons for a while and I don't think I have any rifles that meet this factory division's requirements. (and I have quite a few) Edited January 4, 2015 by Lead-Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 I just reread the rules for factory and I think your rifles are good to go Brian. Did you notice you can offset irons and a dot. So in effect you could use irons the way you have been plus an offset mini dot for close up stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe P Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Did the magazine length for pistol in Factory (Tac Irons) change? It states 127.25mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwx40x40 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Gosh, all those hogged out loading ports, dovetailed rear sights in ribs, and welded lifters folks are running are gonna be disappointed to find themselves in Unlimited Division............don't these modifications alter the factory configuration of the Shotgun?? If not, what does "not alter factory configuration" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 I dont think those mods will put you in unlimited. Its poorly written for sure but they aren't stupid enough to make 90% of the equipment currently being used illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead-Head Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) An offset red dot? Arrghh...it's the brain pain coach Klein! Now I know this is not Irons division. Edited January 4, 2015 by Lead-Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deacon12224 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 If I am reading this right, a shotgun in the factory division can't have a tube that holds more than 8 rounds. Is that the way you read it ? 7.3.4.9 Shotgun in Factory Division SHALL NOT hold more than eight (8) shells in the magazine total or start a stage with more than nine (9) shells total in the shotgun. (Rule 3.7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm so confused right now. I guess I'll hold off on that Nordic +7 tube until all this smoke clears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Did the magazine length for pistol in Factory (Tac Irons) change? It states 127.25mm. Indeed, I think it does, but luckily, according to 7.3.1.4 it says it needs to be less than 127.25 OR factory length. I think that means it can be longer than 127.25 as long as you don't add extended base pads and it comes from the factory that way! Edited January 4, 2015 by Benelli Chick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Did the magazine length for pistol in Factory (Tac Irons) change? It states 127.25mm.Indeed, I think it does, but luckily, according to 7.3.1.4 it says it needs to be less than 127.25 OR factory length. I think that means it can be longer than 127.25 as long as you don't add extended base pads and it comes from the factory that way! So what is "the factory" or factory configurations? Many shooters run custom shop guns like 2011s and the like. I don't see anything that says that a $4,000 SVI couldn't be considered a factory gun. Also, many shooters run magwells which I am pretty sure are not factory configuration. Are these legal or illegal? What about non factory stippling or other grip modifications? I echo what Vlad said about the rifles too. Very few would be in Factory configuration. How should an adjustable gas block be viewed since that is a feature found on very few factory guns? I in practice I am guessing 90% of these rules will be overlooked and they will only care about a select few but there are holes in this rulebook big enough to drive a truck through. P.S. Factory pistol should have been limited to striker and DA/SA guns in my opinion. Maybe no slide lightening and other race mods too but it's not likely to happen. Edited January 4, 2015 by alma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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