Meshach Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Ran my sti marauder last weekend at a steel match. Problems started with light primer strikes in the first stage 3-4 and then the gun completely seized up 3rd stage with a round 90% into the chamber the RSO tried prying the slide open with a flat head and dropped the gun (scratched the slide up) putting the gun into battery I then just fired the round off. I then went to the clearing area dissembled and cleaned it, it ran fine from there. This is my second time shooting the pistol the week prior I shot USPSA approx 130-150 rds and didn't clean it I just lubed it up. I'm using frog lube and shooting 124gr freedom munitions reman. Is there something I am missing? Or just keep it clean and stay away from frog lube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMike Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 There could be multiple issues here. Your profile doesn't tell us where you are shooting or what the possible climate might be like. Or, how often you detail strip, clean and lube. I have heard of issues with Frog Lube in the colder climates and for that reason alone, I don't use it anymore. I am not saying that is your problem, I am simply saying I have stopped using it. I use a good high quality lubricant like Slick 2000, Cuda Lube or something similar like CLP. As far as cleaning, some days I am completely anal and will clean thoroughly and lube after every match. Some days, not. I will wipe it down and lube it up with the lubricants previously mentioned and have no problems. I'm shooting open and limited 2011s. Every other match, I detail strip, clean and lube. Be sure you clean and lube the firing pin channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 That round that wouldn't chamber sounds like an ammo problem to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshach Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 It's was 60-65* I may need new lube. I did not detail strip and clean from my first shoot but I did lube it well. Only about 300 rds through the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 It all sounds ammo related to me. I once got a small sample of that particular ammo in a swag bag at a major and half of it was still belled open. Had not been crimped at all. It wouldn't surprise me if there were high primers in the ammo you had along with not being sized right. There is no way frog lube or even axle grease would seize up a round in a chamber. FYI be careful forcing the slide home with a stick round. It's entirely possible to have had a squib and forcing a round in on top of it would be a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMike Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 It all sounds ammo related to me. I once got a small sample of that particular ammo in a swag bag at a major and half of it was still belled open. Had not been crimped at all. It wouldn't surprise me if there were high primers in the ammo you had along with not being sized right. There is no way frog lube or even axle grease would seize up a round in a chamber. FYI be careful forcing the slide home with a stick round. It's entirely possible to have had a squib and forcing a round in on top of it would be a bad thing Good advice there Sarge! So many variables in this matter it is hard to really say. The more I think about it, the more I might lean towards an ammo problem. I am confused a bit though when the OP said he had fired only 300 rounds. Was that in a brand new gun or since his last cleaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshach Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 It is a brand new gun. I was shooting steel and my previous round hit so I knew there was no squib but I appreciate the knowledge. I guess I over looked ammo, makes sense that the round was not seating entirely. Although after I cleaned then gun it ran fine through the rest of the stages. I'll check the specs on the ammo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckstur Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 My Springfield 9mm 1911 and STI .40 Eagle will not cycle reliably in cold weather with any thick lubricant. My 45 will. The 9mm is loose, the Eagle tight, and the 45 in between. To guarantee ignition in the 9mm I had to go to an extended firing pin and a 19# mainspring. I don't know what STI put into the Eagle. Please tell me you did not shoot the offending round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I hope I don't get in trouble for this but Freedom Munitions reman is what I would suspect. I have seen it not feed in a couple of glocks and in the 223 blow primers out with disturbing regularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 All good possible problems already mentioned - I'll just add one more: I had a bum mag that caused failures to go into battery - the other two mags worked perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robport Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) I've been having that trouble with a .45...just wouldn't go into battery sometimes. When I had a .40sw, it happened all the time due to the infamous Glock bulge. I just bought a gauge block and voila, those rounds wouldn't fit into it. Any time you are working with reloads, even professionally done ones, it wouldn't hurt to use a gauge block (seven hole about $20, 100 hole about $100). I don't know much, but that is one hard won lesson I have already learned well. I've never used Freedom munitions. They advertise that they fully size their casings, but in any manufacturing process, mistakes do happen and it only takes a few minutes to check.. It only takes one bad one to totally screw up a match. Edited December 23, 2014 by robport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Ran my sti marauder last weekend at a steel match. Problems started with light primer strikes in the first stage 3-4 and then the gun completely seized up 3rd stage with a round 90% into the chamber the RSO tried prying the slide open with a flat head and dropped the gun (scratched the slide up) putting the gun into battery I then just fired the round off. I then went to the clearing area dissembled and cleaned it, it ran fine from there. This is my second time shooting the pistol the week prior I shot USPSA approx 130-150 rds and didn't clean it I just lubed it up. I'm using frog lube and shooting 124gr freedom munitions reman. Is there something I am missing? Or just keep it clean and stay away from frog lube? Is this reload 9mm ammo? I had that problem because the cases were not sized (tapered) and were jamming up like a cork in a wine bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) If you have any more ammo "plunk test " it! Drop it in the barrel of your pistol, while the gun is disassembled. Hold bbl. chamber pointing up vertically and just drop the rounds in from about a 1/2 " above the chamber. They should drop in level with the hood of the barrel and should also fall out when you tip the bbl. upside down. It's a slow process but you'll know for sure if your ammo will fit your chamber that way. Edited December 23, 2014 by jcc7x7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikaze1a Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 the RSO tried prying the slide open with a flat head The next time you have a stuck round that can't be cleared with usual rack function, try this...grab the slide securely, just above the grip area with your off hand (with muzzle awareness) and then strike the back of the grip with a forward motion, high up/just below the beavertail with the web of your hand. A few raps will usually free a stubborn stuck round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Hello: Try using some Mobil 1 oil. I use 0W50 for the winter. If it is good enough for Porsche it is good enough for a gun. Lube it up well. I would also chamber check all your ammo. I use the EGW 7 round chamber checker. I bought mine from Shooters Connection. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthshine402 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 the LEE Factory Crimp Die also helps with bulged ammo. I have loaded 10's of thousands of rounds.. and now I'm shooting mostly coated lead.. I used to load up a ton of 147gr Zero JHPs in 9mm... took 2 years off from 9mm.. to shoot .40... went back and started loading some Bayou 147's.. all of a sudden, many of them have a bulge on one side of the case.. I might be seating too deep for these bullets.. but I have the EGW undersize die, the Mr. Bullet Feeder expander, Dillon seat and crimp.. I (re) bought the FCD, and put the suspect rounds (found via case gauge) through this in my single stage, and it fixed them all... I tested each one for set-back, no issues, etc.. used them for practice ammo through my G34.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
427Cobra Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 The Lee FCD is a solution looking for a problem, resizing a loaded round twice is not a solution, but a accuracy killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikaze1a Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I use the Lee FCD religiously. For my reloads, using the FCD has not affected the accuracy one bit but does affect the reliability of my reloads in a positive way. Eliminated nearly all of my cartridge related FTFs. Every match and practice round goes through the Lee FCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) For the games most of us play, the minor affect the FCD might have on our accuracy is trivial as best. I've seen enough bad product from Freedom Munitions first hand to not trust their reman ammo. As for the cleaning of the gun, I run my eagle about 800-1k rounds between cleanings. I only do a complete stripping about twice a year. If you read up enough on Frog Lube, you'll see that it can do more harm than good. Edited December 24, 2014 by v1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshach Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 I've shot a lot of it out of Glocks though during classes and practice had no problems but I can see it having issues in the STI and this may lead me to find another source of ammo. For now because I have quite a bit ill chamber check what ammo I'll be shooting like mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I've shot a lot of it out of Glocks though during classes and practice had no problems but I can see it having issues in the STI and this may lead me to find another source of ammo. +1 All barrels are not created equal. The better ones are tighter tolerance and the "service grade" are looser and more forgiving to out of spec ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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