Carlos Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 (edited) Matt Kartozian of Custom Glock Racing was good enough to provide coverage of the SHOT show on his website & he posted a picture of Sig's USPSA competition Limited gun: pictures Among the special custom features, it appears to have a factory mag well, the frontstrap has real checkering, its single action only, it has adjustable rear sight, its heavy stainless steel with a long/heavy un-grooved dust cover and a price that is comparable to a working model of the STI Edge (MSRP $2499). Best of all, there is no de-cocker & instead, it has a frame mounted safety right where God & John Moses Browning intended it to be (same as 1911). Along with the CZ Standard IPSC .40, it looks like the Sig could give STI/SV some meaningful competition in Limited this year - at least equipment wise. Anyone know how many rounds of .40 the Sig holds in a 140mm? Here is a link to Matt's sight that will allow you to get his complete coverage of the SHOT show (thanks again Matt!) Regards, Douglas www.shootersparadise.com Moderator Edit: Fixed the URL. There are three pictures of the SIG at the top. Edited January 31, 2005 by Erik Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I would love one as it looks like a really sweet shooter but it doesn't hold enough ammo(I think on SIGforum they said it holds 14 or so rounds of .40) for limited and is too heavy for IDPA so I'd have no practical use for it except limited 10. It will probably be a $2200+ gun where the edge is more like $1700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckbradley Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Doubt it will do much in Limited but maybe they ought to try to get it legal in Production. the XD is single action so why shouldnt the Sig be legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzechM8 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 It's the X-FIVE, right?. A Swedish friend of mine has had one in 9mm for about two months now and speaks nothing but praise of it. Yup, waktasz is right - it holds 14 rounds of .40 s&w in the standard mag. More info here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 the Sig could give STI/SV some meaningful competition in Limited this year - at least equipment wise. Sigs are nice, but... Now that Caspian mags are available, *that* is going to be the gun the puts the hurt on S_I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 Excellent link, CzechM8 - thank you. Looks like the gun was designed by/for IPSC & not USPSA. Appears that the 14 round magazines are box-rule magazines & not 140s so only time will tell as to what the real USPSA capacity will be when the mags are made 140mms - 17, 18, 19, or more .40 rounds? Too soon to tell. I am working on increasing the capacity of my CZ Standard IPSC with 140mm magazines. Easily up to 18. I know that 19 is clearly possible & with the right follower, I may get it to 20 for a 140mm magazine. Who is up for R&D-ing the 140mm Sig X-5 magazine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckbradley Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Some people like metal, heavy guns and they will go with Caspian. But most will stay with the lighter STI. There are just too many pluses with the STi. The polymer grip which you can fit to your hand and surface the way you like is a big one. Then replacing it easily is another. I bought a caspian frame once but the frame was so long and big I just couldnt get used to it so I went back to STI and stayed with that type of gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 EricW: Agree with you that the Caspian Limited 40 is a more immediate threat to STI/SV in USPSA Limited division. Why? Sig X-5 vs. Caspian - that is sorta like "New, undeveloped USPSA technology vs. old, well-developed technology that (in Caspian's case) has been on hold for 10 years due to that stupid magazine ban" The trick to both in USPSA is developing 140mm magazines with competitive capacity. If the X-5 is anything like the 228s I have fired (including the new steel framed version) the bore axis is still a bit high for my taste. Maybe the X5 sits lower in the hand. The 226 does tend to be reliable & quite accurate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mloch Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hallo to everybody, I think I could be quite helpful concerning informations about the new X-Five from Sig Sauer ... because I´m competing with one in .40 (IPSC, Standard class). @carlos: you are right the X-Five was mainly delevoped for IPSC but nevertheless it would also be an excellent gun for Limited 10 right out of the box. With some work on the magazines - trimming down/replacing the follower and different base pads - you can increase the capacity to 16. But this is all you can do if the mags should still fit the box requirements. As far as I know no 140mm mags are planned yet. But you can use extended 9mm mags and shorten them. You only have to open up the mag lips a bit. With this configuration you might get another two more rounds (18 in total). The problem is that the 226 was designed around the 9x19 thus the magazines are smaller in dimension in comparison to S_I guns. I`ve shot several S_I style guns before and all I can say is that I don`t regret the switch to Sig. The X-Five is extremely reliable (as all Sig guns) and very accurate - my gun easily shoots nice sub 1" groups at 25 yards . Although the bore axis is still a bit high the gun is comfortable to shoot - a special recoil spring guide rod is installed which works with two springs that softens the impulse of the slide (it is comparable with a "Recoil Master"). Besides this the rear sight is mounted very low so that the higher bore axis is compensated. I´ll try to post some pictures of my X-Five later this week . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I got a look at the one Bruce Gray had at the Area 2 match this year. Nice gun, certainly prettier than an STI. Don't know if it will make much of an impact. The grip has a very nice feel in my hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Lombardo Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Cool gun, great trigger, way heavy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear1142 Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Some magazine base pads should bring the capacity up to around 18 Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Caspian no problem, 20 rounds Limited, 18 rounds Standard. Later, Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSCDRL Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 The transition of the mag well leaves a lot to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 If SIG installed "beavertails" like that on their regular line-up of production guns I may own one or two. Nice gun...but no real threat to the 2011/Infinity platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 It looks really good with some exceptions, like the blending of the magwell to the frame, and the grip looks a bit thick for people with small hands....and of course the price is 2500 bucks....way too much for a factory racer with lots of things still to be done to it... Still I would love to have one, but would have to learn to smith it yourself, as there are not too many peoplke who can do quality work on them in my area... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedshooter Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I love my SV and likely wouldn't shoot anything else but hats off to Sig for caring enough about IPSC to make a gun targeting that market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 So, what was the question that SiG supposedly answered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I think the question was, "Can we make a gun as useless as our Sport models?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiG Lady Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hmmm... they don't have 'hostesses' like that here at the Eugene Hilton, that's for sure...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 The gun looks fugly compared to a S_I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 John It will get purty in a hurry if you are winning with it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 JohnIt will get purty in a hurry if you are winning with it.... Just like a Glock !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 No arguements there Flex.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roby Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 on the sig forum, bruce gray states this gun is every bit worth the price tag as it needs no tuning from a gunsmith like many of our 1911 designs would. he seemed very adament that this would be the next big thing once the mag issue was sorted out. this is only my synopsis of his post on the sig forum however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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