IronicTwitch Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Just worked up some 124 grain flat nose plated (extreme) at 1.08 OAL with 4.0 grains and I was impressed with the low recoil in my CZ P-01 and Tactical Sports. I had some Fiocci 124 grain round nose plated and Freedom Munitions 124 grain round nose plated for comparison, and my reloads were noticeably (almost laughably) less recoil. That said, I don't have a chrono to test more fully yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokihsa Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Just got back from the range, all loads made on a Dillion SDB and shot through a glock 34 stock barrel: Performance Data for:Box WST - Session 1/16/14 3:14 PM Range / Event: Palmetto Gun ClubWeather: Sunny/ 55 DegreesWind: 0Sighting Optics: StockRound Count: 10Distance to Target: 10 yards Box: WSTDate: 1/16/14Gun type: PistolCaliber: 9mmBullet: 147 gr BayouPowder: 3.2 gr WSTPrimer: FederalOAL: 1.135 inBox Notes: 129 PF870 Average48 ES13 SD Failure to feed, Brass dropping on weapon, Did not cycle well.Box: WST-1Date: 1/16/14Gun type: PistolCaliber: 9mmBullet: 147 gr BayouPowder: 3.4 gr WSTPrimer: FederalOAL: 1.135 inBox Notes: 132 PF12 SD895 Average31 ES Not a bad load, cycled, brass dropped closeBox: WST-2Date: 1/16/14Gun type: PistolCaliber: 9mmBullet: 147 gr BayouPowder: 3.5 gr WSTPrimer: FederalOAL: 1.135 inBox Notes: 131 PF11 SD900 Average41 ESLoad tested wierd ( know not a good technical term)Box: WST-3Date: 1/16/14Gun type: PistolCaliber: 9mmBullet: 147 gr BayouPowder: 3.6 gr WSTPrimer: FederalOAL: 1.135 inBox Notes: 136 PF17 SD919 Average50 ESLoad shot well and was close to feel of my 3.2 grain Titegroup load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I wish you all would stop using WST for 9mm minor so it would be easier for me to get .... I've worked up SC loads using WST for my Shadow that are at 115 PF with no issues ...might even try to go to 100-110 As for the reverse temp sensitivity, I live in FL so when I shoot matches where it happens to be below 70 I never have to worry about making PF ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger49931 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) this is my target M&P Pro 5" COL 1.145 147gr Bear Creek moly bullet WST KKM barrel 3.2gr did not make PF 125k 3.4 made 132PF 3.6 made 136 PF ten meters off a rest ( not ransom just resting pistol on rest ). Edited January 24, 2014 by tiger49931 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I wish you all would stop using WST for 9mm minor so it would be easier for me to get .... I've worked up SC loads using WST for my Shadow that are at 115 PF with no issues ...might even try to go to 100-110 As for the reverse temp sensitivity, I live in FL so when I shoot matches where it happens to be below 70 I never have to worry about making PF ... I started using WST because it was plentiful... couldn't find any W231 or Unique. I was pleasantly surprised with the (lack of) recoil on the 3.5gr of WST with a 147gr bullet. I've got 2000 bullets and I'll probably load them up with that. As a bonus, it's pretty quiet with my suppressor as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tig Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I checked here recently to see if I could locate some numbers on WST and the 9mm. As you know BE.com is one of the few quality sites with any information. Needless to say, I'm glad I found this forum! I had been loading .45acp and decided to start loading the 9mm. Problem was I had used up the last of my Bullseye and was down to my last pound of WST. Why Winchester ixnays the use of it in 9mm is beyond me! I found it to be some of the softest shooting loads I've ever fired out of my Bersa Compact. It's terribly unfortunate that it's so hard to find anything now, especially WST. I did get lucky this week and found a company that had a few pounds of 800x in stock and will see how that works up when I get it. I wanted to share the two WST loads I tried this week and let the next guy know that this stuff is very suitable in the 9mm IMO. 124gr. Berry's PLRN BC w/CCI #500 spp 4.5 gr. WST OAL: 1.15 90gr. HDY XTP BC w/CCI #500 spp 4.9 gr. WST OAL: 1.09 No Chrono available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilysdad Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I have been using WST for both .45 and 9mm for the past few years. 4.2 grains under a 115 grn Berry's plated RN. I worked up a few 10ths of a grain, but didn't see much difference so went back to 4.2. The beauty of this is that my .45 ACP load is also 4.2 grns of WST, under a 230 grn lead RN. I don't have to mess with my powder measure when I switch calibers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikesToShoot Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Well it's been almost a month since your last post. What load do you like better with the 147 gr Bayou? Are you going with the 3.2 TG or the 3.6 WST plus what about smoke from each and group sizes at 25 yards? Thank you for your feedback. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard65 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Does anyone have good load data for Bayou Bullet 105gn 9MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Didn't like it at all for 9mm minor out of a 5" 2011. Did a test with e3, clays, solo 1000, titegroup and WST. WST felt the worst out of the bunch, which was confirmed by my bud. It felt like a small firecracker going off in your hand compared to the others. The others were much softer shooting. I had the exact opposite experience. Tightgroup felt very harsh compared to WST. I ran WST in 9mm minor and 40 major with no issues. If I ever get back into reloading, it will be the powder I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Didn't like it at all for 9mm minor out of a 5" 2011. Did a test with e3, clays, solo 1000, titegroup and WST. WST felt the worst out of the bunch, which was confirmed by my bud. It felt like a small firecracker going off in your hand compared to the others. The others were much softer shooting. I had the exact opposite experience. Tightgroup felt very harsh compared to WST. I ran WST in 9mm minor and 40 major with no issues. If I ever get back into reloading, it will be the powder I use. Of the five powders we tested, it was (in order of 'softness'/feel) Clays, by a nose over e3, then solo, titegroup, and WST brought up the rear. Did you chrono and have about the same velocity? I load long at 1.2" with 124 grain plated round nose. Maybe that is affecting feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Didn't like it at all for 9mm minor out of a 5" 2011. Did a test with e3, clays, solo 1000, titegroup and WST. WST felt the worst out of the bunch, which was confirmed by my bud. It felt like a small firecracker going off in your hand compared to the others. The others were much softer shooting. I had the exact opposite experience. Tightgroup felt very harsh compared to WST. I ran WST in 9mm minor and 40 major with no issues. If I ever get back into reloading, it will be the powder I use. Of the five powders we tested, it was (in order of 'softness'/feel) Clays, by a nose over e3, then solo, titegroup, and WST brought up the rear. Did you chrono and have about the same velocity? I load long at 1.2" with 124 grain plated round nose. Maybe that is affecting feel? Both loads chronoed around 132. I know a lot of people love Tightgroup, but I found it very snappy, and much hotter than WST. Here is my load data, if anyone is interested. 9mm Minor: Montana Gold 147 4.0 WST 1.120 OAL 132.9 PF Mixed Brass Federal Match Primers 85 F Ambiant 9/4/2011 40 Major: Montana Gold 180 5.20 WST 1.195 OAL 172.1 PF Winchester Brass Federal Match Primers 70 F Ambiant 5/5/2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Didn't like it at all for 9mm minor out of a 5" 2011. Did a test with e3, clays, solo 1000, titegroup and WST. WST felt the worst out of the bunch, which was confirmed by my bud. It felt like a small firecracker going off in your hand compared to the others. The others were much softer shooting. I had the exact opposite experience. Tightgroup felt very harsh compared to WST. I ran WST in 9mm minor and 40 major with no issues. If I ever get back into reloading, it will be the powder I use. Of the five powders we tested, it was (in order of 'softness'/feel) Clays, by a nose over e3, then solo, titegroup, and WST brought up the rear. Did you chrono and have about the same velocity? I load long at 1.2" with 124 grain plated round nose. Maybe that is affecting feel? Both loads chronoed around 132. I know a lot of people love Tightgroup, but I found it very snappy, and much hotter than WST. Here is my load data, if anyone is interested. 9mm Minor: 4.0 WST 1.120 OAL 132.9 PF Mixed Brass Federal Match Primers 85 F Ambiant 9/4/2011 40 Major: 5.20 WST 1.195 OAL 172.1 PF Winchester Brass Federal Match Primers 70 F Ambiant 5/5/2011 124 FMJ & 180 FMJ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeislarge Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I just loaded a few 147gr Precision moly that are headed to the chrono tomorrow. Started with 2.9gr WST at 1.125 and then loaded 3.0, 3.2, and 3.4. I'll let you all know the results when I've done my testing. Shooting a stock Glock 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Didn't like it at all for 9mm minor out of a 5" 2011. Did a test with e3, clays, solo 1000, titegroup and WST. WST felt the worst out of the bunch, which was confirmed by my bud. It felt like a small firecracker going off in your hand compared to the others. The others were much softer shooting. I had the exact opposite experience. Tightgroup felt very harsh compared to WST. I ran WST in 9mm minor and 40 major with no issues. If I ever get back into reloading, it will be the powder I use. Of the five powders we tested, it was (in order of 'softness'/feel) Clays, by a nose over e3, then solo, titegroup, and WST brought up the rear. Did you chrono and have about the same velocity? I load long at 1.2" with 124 grain plated round nose. Maybe that is affecting feel? Both loads chronoed around 132. I know a lot of people love Tightgroup, but I found it very snappy, and much hotter than WST. Here is my load data, if anyone is interested. 9mm Minor: 4.0 WST 1.120 OAL 132.9 PF Mixed Brass Federal Match Primers 85 F Ambiant 9/4/2011 40 Major: 5.20 WST 1.195 OAL 172.1 PF Winchester Brass Federal Match Primers 70 F Ambiant 5/5/2011 124 FMJ & 180 FMJ????? Sorry about that. I edited my original post. 147 & 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Anyone have any load data for 135 grain lead or plated rounds with WST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Anyone have any load data for 135 grain lead or plated rounds with WST?Yep!Just chrono'd yesterday. CZ Sp-01 Shadow Bayou 135 gn bullet 3.93 gns WST WSP primer 1.120 oal Ave 990 fps for 20 shot string Mixed brass Edited March 17, 2014 by robb315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 You are the man. That gives me a starting point since ill be using Extreme plated 135's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Just a heads up, in my 5" Eagle, the bayou 124 ran 3 or 4 PF higher than the Xtreme 124 RN at the same length and charge of WST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttownracer Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Recently bought some WST for my first trial. Appreciate the info. Will be loading over some BBI 125 gr next week as my N320 supply is dwindling rapidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 My WST stash is dangerously low... I'm down to 4 pounds of pretty old WST. Hoping Winchester starts shipping some powder soon. On the bright side I've got plenty of N320, but WST is my go to powder for practice ammo. Truth be told I think I prefer the recoil impulse of WST to N320 but the VV is way more temperature stable and therefore a safer bet for match ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G T Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I use 4.4 WST under 125 lead. oal 1.125 out of a SP-01 Shadow. 134pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think I'm "dangerously low" with four pounds too. It would be nice to find a keg of it sitting on the shelf somewhere. I've got a pound of Titegroup as an emergency backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkid17 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Definitely, this powder shortage is disgusting, I'm going to start testing my rifle powders for 9mm here pretty soon. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawboy Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I have 20lbs of WST. Just have my last lb of titegroup away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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