zhunter Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Some people are just a bit thick it seemsDunno if I'd say that, but it IS certainly unrealistic to expect someone else to do the work of creating a new division that you *claim* you want to shoot. I would call it naive and selfish, rather than thick. I was referring to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Some people are just a bit thick it seemsDunno if I'd say that, but it IS certainly unrealistic to expect someone else to do the work of creating a new division that you *claim* you want to shoot. I would call it naive and selfish, rather than thick. I was referring to you Really? You mean like you were trying to insult me on the internet? That doesn't even make any sense..... I'm not the one complaining on the internet instead of actually doing something constructive..... Edited July 27, 2014 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Some people are just a bit thick it seemsDunno if I'd say that, but it IS certainly unrealistic to expect someone else to do the work of creating a new division that you *claim* you want to shoot. I would call it naive and selfish, rather than thick. I was referring to you Really? You mean like you were trying to insult me on the internet? That doesn't even make any sense..... I'm not the one complaining on the internet instead of actually doing something constructive..... You sure are are trolling the topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 And calling someone stupid because their view is different than yours is not trolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Enough. Time out while everyone reviews the prime directive. Posting GuidelinesAttitudePlease be polite. Or if not polite, at least respectful.No bickering. Regardless of the subject matter.Antagonistic, offensive, or quarrelsome tones are not acceptable.No trolling. No alternate accounts. If you think there's a concern with another member, bring it to the attention of the moderating team. Discuss the issue -- not each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I indicated in the Production Optics thread that I would post a proposal that interested parties could use to promote this proposal. Unfortunately the thread has been closed. Here is the proposal. Production Optics Proposal.pdf I have posted it to the USPSA Forums along with a simple, un-scientific poll : Link CLOSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullsi45 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 this fine put lets take it one step more that have ten rd limted have a open division to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 this fine put lets take it one step more that have ten rd limted have a open division to Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 We don't need any more divisions. We have 1 and perhaps even 2 that we can eliminate at present. A new division isn't going to expand our sport or do anything useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron169 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I posted in the uspsa forum... All for it myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Antichrome Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 We don't need any more divisions. We have 1 and perhaps even 2 that we can eliminate at present. A new division isn't going to expand our sport or do anything useful. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I think production optics is a reasonable idea, especially if we can get rid of the whole revolver thing. I have seen 2 people shooting guns that would probably fit in a production optics division at the weeknight steel match I run. If y'all can get 2 or more to show up on a regular basis, I will break out the results separately, and if you can get 10 to show up, I will call my section coordinator and report how popular the division is. If you post on the internet or circulate petitions, I will simply point out the fairly obvious flaws in that tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Topic is unlocked again. Please feel free to discuss without posting "at each other." Referring to other members as either "thick, naive, selfish, or trolling" won't do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Thanks Nik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 BritinUSA: Thx! heading over to the USPSA forum to lend support ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 We don't need any more divisions. We have 1 and perhaps even 2 that we can eliminate at present. A new division isn't going to expand our sport or do anything useful. Single Stack folks felt the need for a new division, while most others felt they were doing just fine in L10 (did I get that right, reading older stuff?). You could take just about every argument offered against production optics and say that should be the case as well with Single Stack - L10 is there, why add a division? But at this point, I don't think anyone has on the table elimination of Single Stack because it's failed to attract participants. It's not the biggest division, sure, but people love to shoot it. Production optics I believe is similar - sales and development of slide mounted / compatible optics from Trijicon, Leupold, Burris and more are flourishing with those products in their 2nd and 3rd generations. There is a lot of interest for many reasons given earlier. And the point of Production Optics (again, I believe) is to tap into that interest with something folks will identify as distinctly different from an Open race gun -- a more or less stock handgun with an RDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawboy Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I have read this thread with interest. I think several valid points have been made. 1. Some people, maybe a lot, want PO. 2. Said people should get an action plan together. 3. Said people should shoot their PO guns in Open now. 4. People who do not want PO should get off this thread, lol I am a big fan of just shooting what you have/like. I am currently running a Browning Hi-Power in L-10 shooting minor Against full limited 2011s shooting major. I am having fun. I support PO. But if you want it to happen I agree that it will be a big help to your cause if people SEE THE GUNS AT MATCHES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Spare SP01, check! Spare Aimpoint, check! Ready to rocknroll in Production Optics, check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Single Stack is basically what it started out with originally, those and Browning High Powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Spare SP01, check! Spare Aimpoint, check! Ready to rocknroll in Production Optics, check! Don't forget a production legal holster if you don't already have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 We don't need any more divisions. We have 1 and perhaps even 2 that we can eliminate at present. A new division isn't going to expand our sport or do anything useful. Single Stack folks felt the need for a new division, while most others felt they were doing just fine in L10 (did I get that right, reading older stuff?). You could take just about every argument offered against production optics and say that should be the case as well with Single Stack - L10 is there, why add a division? But at this point, I don't think anyone has on the table elimination of Single Stack because it's failed to attract participants. It's not the biggest division, sure, but people love to shoot it. I would bet there were many people showing up with SS legal guns and actually shooting them in L and L10 prior to the adoption of SS division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 We don't need any more divisions. We have 1 and perhaps even 2 that we can eliminate at present. A new division isn't going to expand our sport or do anything useful. Single Stack folks felt the need for a new division, while most others felt they were doing just fine in L10 (did I get that right, reading older stuff?). You could take just about every argument offered against production optics and say that should be the case as well with Single Stack - L10 is there, why add a division? But at this point, I don't think anyone has on the table elimination of Single Stack because it's failed to attract participants. It's not the biggest division, sure, but people love to shoot it. I would bet there were many people showing up with SS legal guns and actually shooting them in L and L10 prior to the adoption of SS division Frankly, L10 makes more sense to me than singlestack for shooting a 1911 because the stages in a normal uspsa match will flow better. Between the two divisions we might get 3-4 participants per match. I'm sure in capacity-restricted states that is different tho. I don't mind shooting singlestack in ss-only matches tho. For sure there is a similar place for production optics. Can we trade revolver and SS for PO (and keep L10 instead of SS)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Exactly ... Between the three, keep one, discard the other two and add PO ... Everybody wins .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 For some reason or other this thread, never shows up in 'View New Content'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 For some reason or other this thread, never shows up in 'View New Content'. That's because it's the same old s#!t over and over again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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