echase1 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I am new to the CZ clan and shoot IDPA and USPSA. I will soon be getting my first CZ Shadow from Matt Mink. I have a quick question...When you go up to the line to shoot the gun with the letting the hammer down on a chambered round, do you let the SO know? How do you guys handle this? I know this CZ will most likely be the first time many of the SOs at my local IDPA club experience this. Thanks for your input and advice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Just do it. They have to learn, too. Just never rush manually lowering a hammer, that's where I've seen a couple DQs from ADs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent D Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I've been shooting my Shadow Custom for about 6 months now. Where I shoot, many are familiar with having to manually lower the hammer on a CZ. Just be safe about it and let your RO know what you are doing. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 No need to let the RO know as they will be watching you like a hawk if they know what they are doing. CZ shooters are why I always have my muffs on once I give the make ready command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 No need to let the RO know as they will be watching you like a hawk if they know what they are doing. CZ shooters are why I always have my muffs on once I give the make ready command. Booooo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamikefoxtrot Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Any time you are doing something out of the ordinary, let the RO know. Other than that, if you did it without saying anything, would he say something? I guess he might have an issue with your finger in the trigger guard, but that would only be if he doesn't know the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Lowering the hammer isn't "out of the ordinary." It is what is required by the USPSA (and I assume IDPA) rulebook. If they've never seen a DA/SA gun without a decocker, hopefully they will figure out what you are doing and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If you think they won't have seen it before, I'd mention it beforehand. I RO'd at nationals this year and must have seen 50-100 people decock manually. None of them said anything. I think it's pretty routine unless there just aren't any cz's around you. I've had one or two RO's notice it, but no one flipped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If you think they won't have seen it before, I'd mention it beforehand. I RO'd at nationals this year and must have seen 50-100 people decock manually. None of them said anything. I think it's pretty routine unless there just aren't any cz's around you. I've had one or two RO's notice it, but no one flipped out. I shot an SP-01 for the year (2006) and went to a bunch of club matches and 2 area matches. I never said anything to the RO and they never said anything other that Make Ready and Are You Ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echase1 Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 Thanks for letting me know your experiences. I really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinSC Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 If it makes you feel better, go ahead and say something. But just know, there is NOTHING in the rules that states you need to inform the RO that you are lowering the hammer and therefore putting your finger on the trigger. As Sperman said, it is required per the rules for you to lower the hammer to comply with the rules, so not only are you not doing anything wrong, you are complying with the rules. If an RO has an issue, and makes a stink, what I would do is this: Unload, show clear, holster, then politely inform him of the rule that you are complying with. Then, tell him that you want to be dropped in the order because he has disrupted your Make Ready routine. I don't think this will happen, but you never know. FWIW, I've been shooting for three years with my CZ, I have never told an RO what I was about to do. I've never had an issue, and I've run into a number of RO's at both Level 1 and Level 2 matches that had a severe lacking of knowledge of the rules, yet even they did not have an issue. With that said, you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpacker Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 If it's a new to me RO, I tell them I need to drop the hammer. I don't elaborate on it, it they have any questions or concerns they say something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 It's just like a shooter who has to insert a mag to go hammer down before holstering because he has not yet figured out how to disable the mag disconnect feature. An RO has to have a working knowledge of different setups. There is a lot to be learned from reading these forums as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC1 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 CZ's are getting much more popular and I've never had an RO not know what's going on. Take you time and go slow, you will have no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I had one CZ guy warn me beforehand. I was surprised when he did, as lowering the hammer is pretty standard fare. Typically ROs are pretty seasoned shooters, and CZs aren't exactly uncommon. So I would say, if it makes you feel any better, go ahead and warn them. But as others said just know the rulebook is totally on your side, so anyone hassling you about it would be blatantly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I would recommend not saying anything to the RO. I know a shooter who can identify himself if he so chooses, who always says "hammer" right before lowering the hammer. On several occasions I've seen the RO get confused by the comment and engage him in conversation just before his stage run. I prefer to not get distracted by a discussion with the RO before I shoot, so I wouldn't say anything - just drop the hammer and get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I do not say anything, and usually have no issues. Buutt... I have had a couple issues with IDPA SO's not knowing the platform, or rules. Some have said I should be shooting ESP since there is no de-cocker and it has a safety. Another thought the safety should be on when hammer is down. Just something to be aware of until the CZ's gain more popularity and recognition in some area's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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