ger Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 So as the title says, I have a problem gripping the gun to high, and do not disengage the grip safety consistently. I shoot limited now with pinned safety , so no big deal, but on the 1911 it seems to be a big problem for me now. I have extended grip safeties, but they still do not seem to work for my hand. Is there a fix or am I destined to have to go against what I learned from gripping the gun high? Thoughts appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover0020 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) You could disengage the grip safety on your 1911 or tune it so it just barely has to be touched. If you shoot your 1911 in both IDPA and USPSA just use a piece of electrical tape to pin the grip safety, that way it is not permanent. Edited August 31, 2012 by dover0020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 You can try tuning it or build the "memory pad" up. I've seen guys use JB weld to build it up and then trim it back down until they can disengage the safety with their hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 I thought it was not legal to pin the 1911 single stack? and would the JB weld or any other build up constitute any mods that were not uspsa leagal? Thanks Ger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APL-G35 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Current rules do not forbid pinning the grip safety on a single stack gun. If its that big of an issue for you I would have it pinned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Or if you don't want to pin it, just cut the arm off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicycle Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I bet JB looks sexy as hell. Probably not on a blued gun? I normally just make mine to where the safety just has to barely be touched to let the gun fire. I got a little excited the other night and need to add a little material back to one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I bet JB looks sexy as hell. Probably not on a blued gun? I normally just make mine to where the safety just has to barely be touched to let the gun fire. I got a little excited the other night and need to add a little material back to one... You could do it to a blued gun but a little cold blue would be needed. There are some shooters that just cannot deactivate the safety no matter how light it is set. When the rules state that it has to work building up the pad is the only fix. There are two ways to fix your safety without welding. You could put it in a mill vise and squeeze the arm to make it longer. You can also give the arm a good whack with a brass hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes777 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Why not use the shock buff method to pin it. Non permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike21STI Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Not sure if you shoot IDPA but if you do, the grip safety can't be pinned or you risk being dq'ed at a major Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak hill Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 adjust your grip safety so it deactivates sooner and practice getting a solid grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 perfect advice Its already deactivated, I was stressing that I saw/ heard the uspsa single stack was going to require working grip safety... It did not use to be an issue but after a few years shooting limited, its a big deal for me now! It appears by studying my own grip, I manage to put upward web pressure on tang of grip safety consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xdmeister Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) I would pin it to stay consistent with your limited setup. You can use a roll pin so you can still take it out with a pair of pliars. Edited September 16, 2012 by Xdmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Taliani Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 perfect advice Its already deactivated, I was stressing that I saw/ heard the uspsa single stack was going to require working grip safety...It did not use to be an issue but after a few years shooting limited, its a big deal for me now! It appears by studying my own grip, I manage to put upward web pressure on tang of grip safety consistently. I haven't seen anything about this occurring. Worst case scenario, if this does happen, just follow the above advise and tune the grip safety so it requires virtually no pressure. That allows you to be in compliance with having an active grip safety while still negating the activation issues from a high hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhittin Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I know people that have this problem. On occasion, if I don't get a good grip it happens or I will feel the safety interfere with the trigger but not stop it. All my 1911s have the memory pad. So the memory pad and practice getting a good grip is sound advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashman627 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 What is the Shok buff method and how do you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewPetree Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 i would just pin it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunBugBit Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) A pretty lively discussion arose at the last local USPSA match over a shooter's 1911 grip safety that was taped down. The RO said, basically, "don't think that's legal" to which the shooter took great exception, citing many years of shooting matches at the club. No one at the stage had a rule book with them. The shooter went to the match director who said his setup was acceptable. This was a small-time match, no prize table. Edited October 3, 2016 by GunBugBit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resortboarder Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Lessening the curve on the right finger of the sear spring is a band-aid (easily reversible). My wife had the same issue with her SSTK 1911 and this fixed it. Cutting the grip safety finger higher so it clears the trigger bow sooner is better than lopping it off completely. Pinning is an option that provides little/no measureable advantage but can have negative consequences. I'd say start with the sear spring & see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybayonet Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 8:16 PM, ger said: So as the title says, I have a problem gripping the gun to high, and do not disengage the grip safety consistently. I shoot limited now with pinned safety , so no big deal, but on the 1911 it seems to be a big problem for me now. I have extended grip safeties, but they still do not seem to work for my hand. Is there a fix or am I destined to have to go against what I learned from gripping the gun high? Thoughts appreciated I have to ask, what make of 1911 are you using? I'm into vintage firearms, and out of classic 1911's from WWI and WWII I have never seen a problem. The newest 1911 I shoot is a 71 colt. I am wondering if the newer pistols have some inherent issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johniac7078 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 You might want to try to use some Velcro with a sticky back. Cut a piece to fit on the bump and stick it on. Use the hook side of the velcro, and use heavy duty 10lb or greater velcro. You will immediately feel a big difference. And it stays on very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 18 hours ago, resortboarder said: Lessening the curve on the right finger of the sear spring is a band-aid (easily reversible). My wife had the same issue with her SSTK 1911 and this fixed it. Cutting the grip safety finger higher so it clears the trigger bow sooner is better than lopping it off completely. Pinning is an option that provides little/no measureable advantage but can have negative consequences. I'd say start with the sear spring & see if that helps. The benefit of pinning the GS is that it is always depressed. Also easy to reverse. No negative consequences I can see. Some have issues with the modern GS design. High grip sometimes impedes GS operation for them. Bear in mind most here use their guns in the various gun games, so the "liability" issue is not something they're all that worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 18 hours ago, rustybayonet said: I have to ask, what make of 1911 are you using? I'm into vintage firearms, and out of classic 1911's from WWI and WWII I have never seen a problem. The newest 1911 I shoot is a 71 colt. I am wondering if the newer pistols have some inherent issues? Usually if there are GS deactivating issues, it's a beavertail grip safety (BTGS) providing a higher grip which may on some people hinder GS function. I'd wager your old guns have the original design GS. Great for deactivation, not so great for the web of your hand and control of muzzle flip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resortboarder Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, robertg5322 said: The benefit of pinning the GS is that it is always depressed. Also easy to reverse. No negative consequences I can see. Some have issues with the modern GS design. High grip sometimes impedes GS operation for them. Bear in mind most here use their guns in the various gun games, so the "liability" issue is not something they're all that worried about. I agree that pinning is also easily reversible, but drilling the MS housing and aligning its pair in the GS is not as easy as adapting the sear spring. The negative consequences I'm referring to don't have to involve liability. I've seen shooters pin a grip safety only to adopt an even worse grip, or to break a shot too quickly out of the holster before they even had a two-handed grip. I personally have my Limited grip pinned, but I've also already formed most of my habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoKimberDave Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I have the same problem with 1911's and 2011's. It is a hand shape and high grip issue. If you have meaty palms/thumb base it will likely never affect you. "Getting a solid grip" is not good advice because that is precisely what causes it. With a half-azzed crappy grip the GS always works. With a tight, high grip it fails to work. People have different hand shapes and some are just going to have this problem. When I first started and had zero technique, it was't a problem, because I gripped the gun too low. For match shooting and range stuff I feel the GS is pointless and would pin all mine if rules allowed it. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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