Doug H. Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I don't see where you are getting no unbagging longguns in the car. The rule is it must be bagged OR have a chamber flag. If it is flagged it can be unbagged (oh I made a rhyme). I tried to get it in the new rules to be able to pull your holster from the belt or the belt altogether with a pistol in it but was out voted. Ok, according to the paragraph below from the Rifle Rules, I can have my rifle in a cart but can only place it there in a Safety Area or under the direction of an RO. I can't see how this allows me to unbag at my car and transfer to a cart. To me this is more than a gray area and I for one will not test the ROs and will be in a Safety Area when I unbag. Doug 5.2.1.3 Carried in a slip or case (it is preferred that the rifle is carried reasonably vertical). Alternatively, the rifle may be transported or stored without a slip or case, whether or not reasonably vertical, in a mobile rack or carrier, provided the firearm complies with Rule 5.2.1 and is only placed or removed under the supervision of a Range Officer, or while in a Safety Area, or when being transferred directly to/from a staging area as described in Rule 5.2.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chendersby Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I will agree the rule is not clearly written. My understanding and what I thought we had done was say it needs to be flagged or bagged. After reading it trying to do this post I see where the confusion comes from. The rule is a mess. Yet another example of why the rules need to be completely rewrittten. I wlll assure you it is clear in the new rules but unfortunately we won't have then approved for this match. I will get with Amidon as to how this rule will be interprated at Nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockhead Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Went by DSRPC today. Carl, Pete and the crew seem to be right on schedule. Looks to be a fun match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I will agree the rule is not clearly written. My understanding and what I thought we had done was say it needs to be flagged or bagged. After reading it trying to do this post I see where the confusion comes from. The rule is a mess. Yet another example of why the rules need to be completely rewrittten. I wlll assure you it is clear in the new rules but unfortunately we won't have then approved for this match. I will get with Amidon as to how this rule will be interprated at Nationals. Hello sir. I'm sure you're very busy, and I hate to pester you about this, but it's getting close to game day. Do we have a definitive answer on this--at least for the Nationals? Thanks for your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyro Shooter Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 with inclemant weather predicted for Friday. . . . how will this affect the bagging and staging of long guns in the racks? Will the R.O.'s allow us to keep long guns covered untill called to the line? or will they get a chukle when the scope fills up while you stand around waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 We'll be using Time-Plus (Outlaw) scoring this year, and the BOD has approved several rule amendments to ensure that we have fewer re-shoots. Open will be UNLIMITED CAPACITY this year. Tactical will be no more than 8 in the tube at any time (like FB3G last year). That means no loading of the tubes after the start signal, and a chamber empty start w/ Tactical SG will only have 8 rounds in the tube...not 8 rounds in the tube and one on the carrier. There will be no chrono, since PF scoring will not be used. Ah!!! Well I guess 2-3 ain't bad. Blue Ridge is the only match left that makes us keep those antiquated 8 round tubes for tactical. I don't think I know anyone that doesn't have an 9, 10, 11, or 12 round tube on their Tactical shotguns. Y'all have fun this weekend. Hopefully next year this one will move back to the end of the year where there aren't matches every weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap3 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I will agree the rule is not clearly written. My understanding and what I thought we had done was say it needs to be flagged or bagged. After reading it trying to do this post I see where the confusion comes from. The rule is a mess. Yet another example of why the rules need to be completely rewrittten. I wlll assure you it is clear in the new rules but unfortunately we won't have then approved for this match. I will get with Amidon as to how this rule will be interprated at Nationals. Hello sir. I'm sure you're very busy, and I hate to pester you about this, but it's getting close to game day. Do we have a definitive answer on this--at least for the Nationals? Thanks for your time. You guys are making me nervous because every year there are those same couple of RO's(not going to name names) that play the gotcha game to see how many people they can DQ, and I can see how they will use this to get some shooters. Why can't we simply use the rules like at outlaw matches that say flagged is safe and guns should be moved in a reasonable vertical position or pointed into a berm. P.S. The mayor will be missed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chendersby Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 (edited) Just got off the phone with John Amidon.Nobody is going to get DQ'd for unbagging at your car. Make sure you have a chamber flag if the gun is not going to be bagged. I have unbagged my long guns at every Nationals at my car to put them in my cart. I plan to do it this time also. Also, a loaded shotgun shell is not a chamber flag! Edited April 11, 2012 by chendersby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Just got off the phone with John Amidon.Nobody is going to get DQ'd for unbagging at your car. Make sure you have a chamber flag if the gun is not going to be bagged. I have unbagged my long guns at every Nationals at my car to put them in my cart. I plan to do it this time also. Ya for common sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Just got off the phone with John Amidon.Nobody is going to get DQ'd for unbagging at your car. Make sure you have a chamber flag if the gun is not going to be bagged. I have unbagged my long guns at every Nationals at my car to put them in my cart. I plan to do it this time also. Also, a loaded shotgun shell is not a chamber flag! Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Made it Vegas only to find out that one of my bags did not. Had a scare with the ammo also, but got it all fixed. Now to see if I can locate a holster for a 6" STI. Or maybe the airline will find it. Also has all my shoes are in the same bag. I really don't want to try and shoot in cowboy boots. May have to make a shopping trip in the morning. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Mike if you end up on my squad we can share my holster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheiny13 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Made it Vegas only to find out that one of my bags did not. Had a scare with the ammo also, but got it all fixed. Now to see if I can locate a holster for a 6" STI. Or maybe the airline will find it. Also has all my shoes are in the same bag. I really don't want to try and shoot in cowboy boots. May have to make a shopping trip in the morning. Mike PM sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Thanks for the offer guys. Airline called they have the bag. It got inspected and didnt make the plane. It also had some extra pistol ammo. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Thanks for the offer guys. Airline called they have the bag. It got inspected and didnt make the plane. It also had some extra pistol ammo. Mike Bags with ammo are 99% certain to get inspected, so pack spare ammo in your gun case and the risk of your bag getting inspected decreases quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockhead Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Got a chance to walk some of the stages with Pete yesterday while the staff were shooting. Some of the props and target presentations are really creative. I think my favorite is the spinning clay bird holder ('course I haven't tried to shoot it yet...). Many thanks to Pete, Carl, Phil and the crew. The setup looks awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Got a chance to walk some of the stages with Pete yesterday while the staff were shooting. Some of the props and target presentations are really creative. I think my favorite is the spinning clay bird holder ('course I haven't tried to shoot it yet...). Many thanks to Pete, Carl, Phil and the crew. The setup looks awesome Have a good match, Charlie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidoff Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Just got off the phone with John Amidon.Nobody is going to get DQ'd for unbagging at your car. Make sure you have a chamber flag if the gun is not going to be bagged. I have unbagged my long guns at every Nationals at my car to put them in my cart. I plan to do it this time also. Also, a loaded shotgun shell is not a chamber flag! Just to clarify, the ROs were told yesterday that this applies to long guns only, handguns must be cased and uncased at safe areas or under supervision of RO. Long guns can be removed from case at vehicle provided a chamber flag is properly inserted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriera Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Took a long lunch and went to watch a bit of Stage 10 ... cold and wind blowing nasty ... Stages are looking great and spirits are high despite of the weather (was 90+ on Monday and Tuesday), I hope to be able to go back tomorrow and take some pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Results are posted at www.lchico5u.com/mgn2012.html (and a link posted on www.uspsa.org). EzWinScore does not yet have an upload of Time Plus results (which we are going to be adding so we can get the results into the official USPSA results area, but it may take a while to get the code and web support written and tested). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Wow-DQ city on day one. Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LChico Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Day 3. Match started Wednesday. Linda Chico (L-2035) 2012 USPSA MG Nationals Statistician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Results are posted at www.lchico5u.com/mgn2012.html (and a link posted on www.uspsa.org). EzWinScore does not yet have an upload of Time Plus results (which we are going to be adding so we can get the results into the official USPSA results area, but it may take a while to get the code and web support written and tested). Any idea of timeframe? Our State MG match is in two weeks and we have been hoping it would get done for Nationals...but I am guessing no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Adam Carter Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Any updates on results? Daniel Horner was on fire!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Adam Carter Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Any updates on results? Daniel Horner was on fire!!!!!! Daniel won!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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