HS101 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Interesting email you guys got. I wonder if I'll be getting one of those too. I was thinking the same thing... I'm waiting on my Load 2 to get here.... Going on about 14 days since I placed my order... very antsy, want to try it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Interesting email you guys got. I wonder if I'll be getting one of those too. As is written - everybody will get this clips, only it take us little time :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Bros_JLR Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Sweet, looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serevince Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 WINNER, new clips are in and are great! This is a tough call. The vest requires a little more care with the mount than the belt. To be continued......... Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMSI Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 The Chameleon belt looks like it is flexible and would fit any size waist. is that correct? or is is stiff? The Otto belt appears to be stiff and might not fit snug on a thinner person. However, the stiffness might help in snatching shell off it. Does anybody have both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 The Chameleon belt looks like it is flexible and would fit any size waist. is that correct? or is is stiff? The Otto belt appears to be stiff and might not fit snug on a thinner person. However, the stiffness might help in snatching shell off it. Does anybody have both? The Carbon Arms TWinS is not stiff. In our year plus of testing and R&D, we found that a stiff panel on your chest was not a good idea for most 3 gun stages and went with a system that is flexible, and modular. When we tried loading off of rigid mounts, we saw no benefit. Being able to modify the angle of the two stacked shells was a definate speed advantage, which is why we designed it that way. There are links to videos and photos in our vendor tent as well: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfly Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I have had a few shooters that now have both we will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheiny13 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 The Chameleon belt looks like it is flexible and would fit any size waist. is that correct? or is is stiff? The Otto belt appears to be stiff and might not fit snug on a thinner person. However, the stiffness might help in snatching shell off it. Does anybody have both? I have both the Chameleon belt and the Otto X2. The Otto is a solid piece of plastic and holds them secure but still allows you to pull to shells off smoothly and quickly. Since it is completely solid it did not fit me very well and the sides stuck out (I'm skinny). The Chameleon belt is flexible when wrapping it around me and can be fit very snug to my body. While it is flexible going around my body it is very stiff and will not flex if you try to bend it top to bottom. The holders are very solid and hold the shells slightly stronger than the Otto's which slows things down slightly but I think that can be fixed with some sandpaper and trial and error. I liked the Chameleon so much that I bought a second one to wrap around my chest for those higher round count all shotgun stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaeOne3345 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The Chameleon belt looks like it is flexible and would fit any size waist. is that correct? or is is stiff? The Otto belt appears to be stiff and might not fit snug on a thinner person. However, the stiffness might help in snatching shell off it. Does anybody have both? I have both the Chameleon belt and the Otto X2. The Otto is a solid piece of plastic and holds them secure but still allows you to pull to shells off smoothly and quickly. Since it is completely solid it did not fit me very well and the sides stuck out (I'm skinny). The Chameleon belt is flexible when wrapping it around me and can be fit very snug to my body. While it is flexible going around my body it is very stiff and will not flex if you try to bend it top to bottom. The holders are very solid and hold the shells slightly stronger than the Otto's which slows things down slightly but I think that can be fixed with some sandpaper and trial and error. I liked the Chameleon so much that I bought a second one to wrap around my chest for those higher round count all shotgun stages. Did you try the updated clips? Or are you saying even the new updated clips are still really tight compared to the Otto unit? I tried an Otto version today. I have a 28 inch waist. The Otto design is contoured for a man much large than I, lol. The board kinda flares off of my sides like wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheiny13 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 They are the new clips. They are not extremely tight, the tension on them is good, but they are tighter than the Otto system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) How exactly are these supposed to be used? Weak handed, one at a time load, strong handed? ETA Nevermind...Watched the video. Edited October 16, 2011 by RAZZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako92S Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 How exactly are these supposed to be used? Weak handed, one at a time load, strong handed? ETA Nevermind...Watched the video. Weak hand and/or strong hand depending on your loading style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Otto now make a "skinny" for all the anorxiec shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Otto now make a "skinny" for all the anorxiec shooters. I wonder if he can make a drop leg rig for those big stages when u need more than 20 rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Otto now make a "skinny" for all the anorxiec shooters. I wonder if he can make a drop leg rig for those big stages when u need more than 20 rounds? Obviously you haven't looked at facebook lately....Otto has a double stack 44 rnder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotaryeye Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 What's his Facebook page under? Mark Otto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 What's his Facebook page under? Mark Otto? ya the picture was posted to his personal profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebraman Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Has anyone tried the Carbon Arms TWinS FSL 12 round? Since I am used to loading from the belt, I am really interrested in this system. Thanks, Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) Has anyone tried the Carbon Arms TWinS FSL 12 round? Since I am used to loading from the belt, I am really interrested in this system. Thanks, Z I have the 8round. Might take a little more practice to get used to than the "broom-clip" holder style as you need to basically get your fingers kind of spread like a claw, feel between the shells, grab the shells, and kind of curl your fingers around them while you pull them out of the FSL. Haven't practiced nearly as much as I have with weakhand 4shell, but I'm able to get 6sec shoulder-to-shoulder remount with 8shell reload pretty consistently whereas the best I can manage with weakhand is 7secs with 8 shells if I don't fumble. The only "difficult" part to me is the last two rounds on the bottom that are resting on the bottom surface of the FSL......I have trouble getting a good consistent grip on those for some reason.....possibly because of the cutouts in the plastic. Supposedly the vest is easier/faster to use, as MarkCo has pointed out with time differences posted around here somewhere. Planning on trying the broom-clip style holders to see how it compares. Edited October 27, 2011 by AustinWolv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casman Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Has anyone tried the Carbon Arms TWinS FSL 12 round? Since I am used to loading from the belt, I am really interrested in this system. Thanks, Z I have the 8round. Might take a little more practice to get used to than the "broom-clip" holder style as you need to basically get your fingers kind of spread like a claw, feel between the shells, grab the shells, and kind of curl your fingers around them while you pull them out of the FSL. Haven't practiced nearly as much as I have with weakhand 4shell, but I'm able to get 6sec shoulder-to-shoulder remount with 8shell reload pretty consistently whereas the best I can manage with weakhand is 7secs with 8 shells if I don't fumble. The only "difficult" part to me is the last two rounds on the bottom that are resting on the bottom surface of the FSL......I have trouble getting a good consistent grip on those for some reason.....possibly because of the cutouts in the plastic. Supposedly the vest is easier/faster to use, as MarkCo has pointed out with time differences posted around here somewhere. Planning on trying the broom-clip style holders to see how it compares. Hey AustinWolv, Sounds like you are getting the hang of the caddie pretty quickly, that's awesome! One little technique thing that might help with the last two shells; come in at them from the face of the caddie instead of trying to come up through the bottom. If you come in from the face you can start the lift then hook around the shells as they come up the channels. Also, be sure that the retainers are not adjusted too tight on the bottom shells. When you have only one shell per side the wire retainer should just barely touch or be off the shell a little. This will allow them to come up the first bit more quickly and increase your consistency with that row. The way the retainers and channels work, you don’t have to worry about those shells rattling free. I hope that helps. Good luck with it and keep it up! James C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks James. I'll play with the grab and see if I can't get more consistent on those last two; pretty sure I know what you are describing and that does make sense instead of trying to come up through the plastic cutouts. I have the retainers as loose as they'll go so not worried there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
want2race Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Nice to hear Otto is making a "skinny" version. After getting mine and practicing for a bit, I'm not giving up weak hand caddy loading, but those will be back up for higher round count stages. The rig will be primary. I trimmed up the Otto carrier. I cut off the end two to make it an 18 round carrier. It does two things. First it fits me better as it's only as wide as my stomach. Two, it stores easier since it's now flatter. I still have room on the weak hand side to access a belt mounted caddies should I need 22 or more rounds. I've never shot a shotgun stage that required reloading more than 20 rounds. I don't shoot the 3G Nation tour. I still practice both methods of loading to maintain flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camo 9 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 yes nice, congratulation....., steal ideas and names of other companies. at present I thought only the chinese make that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I just pulled the trigger on the vest. Only minor complaint is the web site did not want to take a PO box despite shipping by US Priority mail. Here in Alaska most of us have to use our PO box because we don't get home mail delivery. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I just pulled the trigger on the vest. Only minor complaint is the web site did not want to take a PO box despite shipping by US Priority mail. Here in Alaska most of us have to use our PO box because we don't get home mail delivery. Pat We are shipping to Alaska without problem - P.O. Box we accept too :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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