N320, Clays or WST?

[Shadowrider]

Loading hardcast .45 230 round nose for a 625-8.

Between Clays, WST and N320 which is softest?

[Bubber]

Loading hardcast .45 230 round nose for a 625-8.

Between Clays, WST and N320 which is softest?

Shadowrider for me it would be either the Clays or the N320. YMMV. Later rdd

[MarkCO]

Between Clays, WST and N320 which is softest?

Probably Clays

Edited December 15, 2010 by MarkCO

[Merlin Orr]

I would say Clays. I do think that VV 310 might be a better comparison that VV320 though....

[calishootr]

for me its always been WST in the .45, tho vv 320 should burn a lil cleaner but its more expensive

[John Z Sr]

Clays for cost and works well

[kevinj308]

+1 on the Clays.

[Shadowrider]

I would say Clays. I do think that VV 310 might be a better comparison that VV320 though....

I think you are right about the VV 310, but these are what I have on hand.

Oh wait... I do have a pound of VV N110. Do you think they'd frown on the targets catching fire from the blast?

[Merlin Orr]

VV 310 will be long since burned before it gets out of the barrel. I think...

[Wideload]

Another vote for Clays.

Unless you are shooting hard cast bullets at an indoor range. If so WST smokes a little less.

[robot]

Clays with lead cast bullets is a formula for helping James Bond escape. Smoky as hell.

[Bwana Six-Gun]

I have used all three with no appreciable (sp) difference in how they feel, but then when it gets to Major, all have a little kick. I liked the N320, before it got so expensive, now I use Clays and have no problems. Clays also will download better if you are looking to use the same powder for ICORE or a minor load.

YMMV.

[jhgtyre]

I love the WST in all of my auto loaders but hate it in my revos. It is just a little too dirty for the revo IMHO.

-ld

[8ring]

My first choice for 230gr lead bullets is N-310, then Clays. For less smoke, use a moly coated projective from Billy Bullets or Precision Bullets.

I would use N-320, WST, or American Select with 200gr bullets.

Chris

[pskys2]

Clays works good, is clean and cheap.

N320 is expensive, but I've heard a lot of good things about it.

WST is Reverse Temperature Sensitive, meaning it will lose velocity as the Ambient Temperatures increase. And it does it very consistently and with very large differences. I would get 880 f/s at 35 deg and struggle to get 820 f/s at 90 deg. All in .45 Autos.

Do a search on it and you will probably run across quite a few who have also noticed this.

[Classic_jon]

I find it funny that so many people talk about how "expensive" N320 is so lets do the math real quick to see how much more "expensive" it is when compared with solo 1000

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(To give credit where it is due: I am pulling this info from a post Salilus made here http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=117355&hl=salilus&st=0)

"When comparing N320 to Solo1000 I found the following information

N320 1lb: $26.00, with charge weight of 3.1 gives you 2258 loaded rounds.

Solo1000 3/4 lb: 14.99, with a charge of 3.8 gives you 1381 loaded rounds.

N320 cost per grain: 0.0037142

S1000 cost per grain: 0.0028552

3.1 of N320 cost 0.0115

3.8 of S1K cost 0.0108

1000 rounds of N320: 11.51

1000 rounds of S1K : 10.84

I think its worth it for N320 don't you?"

At 0.67 cents more per 1000 bullets... I think I will stick with my N320. I like consistent, predictable loads that are not that temperature sensitive.

[stardust tommy]

in Belgium the N320 = 46 euro or 62 dollar ! and Vihta is a European company. Oh I hate all those taxes.

N320 and N340 are verry clean powders, use them in .38 special, my .45 load is with Vectan BA10 (minor target load)

gr T

[pskys2]

Buying a "?Pound?" container of Clays, which is also only 14 oz. isn't the way to go.

Last time I bought an 8# Keg of Clays I spent $108 + $20 Hazmat for a cost of $128 total.

128/8=$16/lb. or 128/9.14(#of 14oz containers in Keg)=$14/14oz.

At the time N320 was, from the same dealer, $90 for a 4#Keg x2=8lb.= $180+ $20 Hazmat=$200/8lbs.

It also seems that N320 runs out more ofter than clays, plus in a pinch you can usually find Clays locally.

Nobody in my immediate area carries N320.

But lord if it works and you feel it helps, it's worth the cost.

[TonyT]

I cannot tell the diffference between WST and Clays when loaded to the same velocities.

[GMM50]

+1 for clays.............

Be careful in cold weather. It looses velocity and you might not make Major.

How do I know? You guessed it. Happened to me.

[twodownzero]

Clays! What else is there?

[Team Amish 1]

CLAYS works fine.

[snertley]

Clays! What else is there?

Until I shoot up all my 231 there is NO other powder.

[Service Desk]

Try Alliant Claydot - I have shot a heap of Clays, VV320, WST and 231 in most of the common calibres and Claydot does the same job for less cost and equal accuracy.

Pros: Total combustion of the powder, good accuracy, soft in the hand, no pressure spikes, inexpensive and available

Cons: Smokey, doesn't meter well below 3.0 gns and no published reloading data