Rosshooting Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 What is your opinion if you must take a decision for IPSC production division gun to compete? If you have to choose between Glock 17 and Sig Sauer 226 which one will pick it up? Is there Sig some disadvantages in that division and is there some good points? I am asking that question because I am in big dilemma ( Sigs are my weakness ) but I am watching for maximum efficiency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Olhasso Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 For IPSC (NOT USPSA): Glock 17 compare/contrast to Sig 226. Capacity is a wash: both can get 17. Of course the Sig needs an aftermarket mag. Sight radius is a wash. Reliability is a wash. Out of the box factory accuracy is a point for the Sig. Price is a point for the Glock. OEM sights availability is a point for the Glock, but Sig sights are finally becomming available. Reloadability is a point for the Sig. I still believe that the SIG is a fantastic gun to reload. Grip is a personal thing. Does the Glock bite you hand? Does the Sig sit too low in the hand. Slide stop position is a wash. I rarely lock back either the 226 or the Glock when I run the gun dry. For many, trigger is the real question.... Would you rather have a heavy LONG first shot pull followed by a relatively light and short follow-up shot. -- or -- Would you rather have the same short heavy shot each time? By heavy, I mean the IPSC mandated 5lb pull. have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 The Glock would be my first choice solely based on the trigger. I have a 226, and love it, but the first shot can be a pain in the butt. If you are only going to be shooting USPSA, and not IPSC, I would also take a very serious look at the Springfiled. I like that better than either of the other two guns, but that just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I would chose the Sig because it is easier for me to reload and I like the ergonomics. I would get the one with the steel frame with the light rail. It is positively the softest stock 9mm I've shot. Put some MMC sights on it and you are good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I'm a glocker, but it's hard not to be impressed with Sig's accuracy. See if Ernest Langdon can fix the DA trigger and you should be good to go. Sig accuracy in SA mode is top notch. The stock DA trigger is a disaster, however. Don't go by what anyone *tells* you. Take the guns for a test drive. Ergonomics are going to determine speed. And the ergonomics between me and mag changes on the Glock aren't for squat. You mileage will vary - considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Back here, I can get a Glock and another gun for the price of a Sig. They're that expensive! But if cost is a non-issue, I'd probably be getting a Sig for IPSC Prod. Not downgrading Glock but I've seen a fair number with broken breech faces and kb's, and I'm not even shooting that long. Plus the fact that warranty work for us back here is next to impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Bruce Gray can get the DA trigger pull on a SIG down into the 6-7 pound range, and has a short trigger reset modification that can help with subsequent shots, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I would go with Glock. More goodies available and the Sig mag pinches me bad when I reload. It is a very close race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Olhasso Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 The original post said IPSC. If the game in question is truly IPSC, then much of the fabulous trigger work being done on Glocks, Sigs, LDAs, XDs, etc in hte US, is not valid for this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 David nailed pretty much said it all, but I must take issue with one of his, uh, issues... Does the Sig sit too low in the hand. Shirley, you must be joking. I think the major drawback of SiG pistols is their excessive height above the hand and high bore axis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Bruce Gray can get the DA trigger pull on a SIG down into the 6-7 pound range, and has a short trigger reset modification that can help with subsequent shots, as well. Now you tell me, after I sold my P226!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 It all has to do with personal preference. I think you can reach World Shoot winning performance with any handgun that doesn't have major flaws. I would say: if you like the SIGs, buy one or use the one you have. If practicing with a SIG makes you happy, you'll practice more with yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 "I think the major drawback of SiG pistols is their excessive height above the hand and high bore axis." Agree. Eric & David have it covered. Again, original poster said IPSC, not USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Olhasso Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Eric: You are supposed to translate what I typed into what I meant to type! Obviously I meant to type "Sig sits too high in the hand" rather than "too low in the hand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Olhasso Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 As for the SIG and the gun sitting too high in the hand: I was the first production GM and to get there I used an OLD Sig 226 that I bought used. The trigger and custom sights (.090 front & .110 rear) were done by EGW. I used Blade-Tech DOH and Blade-Tech mag pouches. I probably still be shooting the Sig EXCEPT that for me, my right thumb nearly always holds the slide stop down preventing slide lock. For IPSC this is probably not a big deal because you should never be running a 17 round gun dry. But for USPSA and the 10-round limit, there are times that you actually plan to run the gun empty. It is even more important when shooting IDPA to have a gun that goes to slide lock when empty. Now if a 226 were made with a smaller slide stop and a grip that somewhat enclosed it.......hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaquino Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I would go with glock for ipsc. It’s a bullet proof gun, you don't have to take care about safety’s just load and shoot. The price for the gun is very good as well as for the mags and spares. It may not be a precision gun like the sig which i would prefer for 25m static precision shooting disciplines but for ipsc the glock is more than good enough to shoot double alpha and it's very reliable to. Load and get ready DVC Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 I have a Glock, and a Sig 226. The Sig is more accurate, and has always been 100% reliable. I believe the Sig also gives me less "felt" recoil than the Glock. The things I don't like about the Sig is the trigger reset (which an earlier post said could be taken care of), and the small slide release, because, when shooting USPSA production, or IDPA, you are limited to ten rounds. Especially in IDPA, because, it is faster for me to do a mag change out of slide lock, than a mag change, with retention. I have a little trouble finding the slide release, at times. I used my Sig in 2001 and 2002, to win the Wisconsin, state IPSC (actually, USPSA) match, in "production". I used Glock in 2003, and threw the match in the toilet. Although, I did have some malfunctions, with the Glock, I really believe I could have had a chance, winning the match, if I wouldn't have my head up my a$$. But, it is ALWAYS nice to blame the gun, for our mistakes! What it comes down to, is that either will suit your purpose. It is a matter of what feels best, in your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Sig for me because heavier and shoots much better; a trigger job makes the trigger one of the best on the market. If I went glock it would be the G34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 John, the G34 is not IPSC production division legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kline Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 David, About how many rounds through your 226 and how many malfunctions (really) have you had? Just been playing around with my 226 in 40 and am getting an EL trigger job on it. If nice enough, I might get a 226ST in 40 and play a bit with it. Bue want to see how good the trigger is first. After shooting 1911's forever, I need to see how good the trigger can get first. Was yours a 40 or 9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSCDRL Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 You also might want to talk to a Sig owner that has had to deal with the factory concerning service after the sale. This may just be a US thing but based on some fellow shooters' experience, I'd think twice. Glock tends to be VERY good about service after the sale should you need it. Sigs are usually high quality so YMMV. Let the buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kline Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 I've actually heard really good stuff bout Sig customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 I just picked up a 226 and the night sights are off. POI is 2" low. Called Sig and they were as friendly as could be. The lady was very helpful. Told me when My gun was manf. and gave me the info to contact Trijicon as the sights were put on by the dealer not the factory. Called Trijicon and expected to have to buy a new sight. Nope they are on back order but as soon as one comes in they will send me the needed sight to correct the POI . I install it and send them the old one on there dime. I would have to rate Sig and Trijicon as top self in CS. Maybe I am the exception but I doubt it, they were great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonub Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 cool thread im planning to get a sig 226. hows the durability with the alloy frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctgun Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I shoot a P226 in USPSA production class and love it. So far alloy frame on both my P226 & P220 are just fine. Though to avoid any problems I change the recoil spring out about every 2,000 - 3.000 rounds. The only thing is that I shoot with IPSCDRL and we did have a freind get a raw deal from Sig on a broken gun. Either the Glock or the Sig will normally shoot better than the person holding it at least with me. But try them both out for yourself and pick what works for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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