spanky Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) Don't know if this is irony, karma or poetic justice. I DQ'd for a 180 violation. The stage (Which I drew) was this one - link. I engaged T1-T3, started to the right and reloaded. I learned several things. If I must go from left to right, I should reload then move (or at least do so more cautiously). I also learned that I probably should have stuck with my original drawing that had the table behind the fault line and the shooter behind the table. This would have made things more neutral. Also, ironically, I was elected VP of the local club today. Video of the "run." - I'll take a few lessons learned any day of the week. Edit: Here is the video of the 3 1/4 stages I shot. Edited February 23, 2010 by spankaveli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddrod Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I do not see the infraction. did you point it further back during the reload out of camera shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 That's what I was told. Robert K was running me, he said it was way vertical but past the 180. I trust him so I was okay with it. You can't see it in the video, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Wow, that would have been tough for a lefty, as you found out. Unless it broke the 180 at about the 6 second mark I didn't see it either. Like you said, good lesson learned. Congrats VP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmantwo Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Got my first one last fall for the same thing. You're so focused in operating the gun that you aren't aware of it. I certainly wasn't, I would have sworn it didn't happen, lol. Tough break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Looks like the wrong call was made to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR Gunner Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Tough lesson to learn. Great stage drawing, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Don't know if this is irony, karma or poetic justice. I DQ'd for a 180 violation. The stage (Which I drew) was this one - link. I engaged T1-T3, started to the right and reloaded. I learned several things. If I must go from left to right, I should reload then move (or at least do so more cautiously). I also learned that I probably should have stuck with my original drawing that had the table behind the fault line and the shooter behind the table. This would have made things more neutral. Also, ironically, I was elected VP of the local club today. Video of the "run." - I'll take a few lessons learned any day of the week. Tough one, but you've got to appreciate the irony! I really like your attitude. I hope I can be as level about it should/when it happens to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mainus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I am a lefty myself. I have been DQ'ed for the exact same thing. Mine was at the SS Classic though. Starting from the left and moving right, while trying to do a reload, is tough for a lefty to do. It is real easy to forget where the muzzle is pointing. My DQ was years ago, but I remember it like it was yesterday. I can almost guarentee that you will never do that again. It will stick in your mind every time you look over a stage and realize that you might have to move to the right. Whenever possible, I always start on the right and work my way left. Learn from it and move on. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Thunders Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 didn't see a 180. take one step straight back with your left leg first, then move to where you are going-this gives you room and time to reload-after a while it will become second nature and you won't need the step back. also, program your reload in the walk thru and cant your hand to exactly the angle and direction you want it to be in the walk through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 Looks like the wrong call was made to me. I trust and respect the RO that called it and I'm certain he wouldn't have called it unless he was 110% sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) I see it being pretty certain, personally. (I'm also a lefty) Try this, righthanded guys: Pause the video when MUZZLE! is yelled. See how he's turned about halfway between square uprange and facing straight down the 180? He's at a 45 degree angle, roughly, from facing square downrange. Face off to the left, just like he's facing to the right. Hold your righthanded airgun up gun with the muzzle up and off to the left, frozen where you insert the magazine. See a problem? Your muzzle is right at, or slightly past, the 180. And he's still turning, too. Sorry bud. I usually use a combination of breaking my wrist slightly (think spiderman flicking a web) to keep the gun down range, and twisting my torso to keep my shoulders off the 180-line, if that helps. I also really like to run to the right first, and running to the left. Like you said, that forces you to trip or really be a 'tard in order to DQ on the load. Edited February 22, 2010 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifu128 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) That stinks. I couldn't see the position when the safety officer called muzzle, however I did catch this angle which is a big no no and would have called it right here. That angle is setting up for a big disaster. Hopefully, it won't happen again and you can finish your next match with a great score Edited February 22, 2010 by sifu128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) As a lefty I am sure you have noted (as all us lefties do) that almost all stages are set up to ideally be run from left to right. A consequence is easy reloads for righties and opportunity for a trip to Dairy Queen on reloads for lefties. Not complaining, just the way it is. I spend more than a little amount of time practicing so that I normally get my reload finished by my first step out of my shooting position. Actually makes for a faster run anyways but really cuts down on the disaster factor. Left to right is tougher for lefties reloading, going into ports and shooting on the move so all require extra time practicing. Sounds like you got the lesson from this one. Soldier on! Edited February 22, 2010 by Neomet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'm sorry to hear that Spank. There's also the technique, where you drop the mag, reach for the fresh mag, haul ass to the next position, and as you are bringing your gun up, perform the reload there. I take extra time practicing reloading to my left. I bet you'll beat that into your practice regime. Congrats on making the VP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 That stinks. I couldn't see the position when the safety officer called muzzle, however I did catch this angle which is a big no no and would have called it right here. That angle is setting up for a big disaster. Hopefully, it won't happen again and you can finish your next match with a great score What's the no no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifu128 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) As a safety officer the no no for me is the angle of the gun right here as captured in the picture. With that being said, let me say I would not have DQ'ed the shooter for that, I would have made a muzzle call. It is really hard to tell what happens after this because the shooters back is towards us and only the safety officer could see what was happening. I have seen shooters (new and old) launch one where they shouldn't have. To me that angle doesn't constitute down range. If you look at the angle the muzzle is almost pointed straight up. If this has been a new shooter trying to perform a tactical reload (in IDPA), or had one in the chamber in USPSA and didn't remove his finger from the trigger and had an accidental discharge that bullet would go over any berm. I can tell you from personal experience that you don't want the muzzle pointed in that direction. Lucky for me when I had my accidental discharge I had already changed the way I did my reloads. It is one HELL of an eye opening experience. Edited February 22, 2010 by sifu128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 That stinks. I couldn't see the position when the safety officer called muzzle, however I did catch this angle which is a big no no and would have called it right here. That angle is setting up for a big disaster. Hopefully, it won't happen again and you can finish your next match with a great score What's the no no? I don't see the no no there either. Sometimes angles are tricky to determine in a video like this. If he broke the 180 he did it while we couldn't see it in the video based of what I can see... probably while inserting the fresh mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifu128 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 That stinks. I couldn't see the position when the safety officer called muzzle, however I did catch this angle which is a big no no and would have called it right here. That angle is setting up for a big disaster. Hopefully, it won't happen again and you can finish your next match with a great score What's the no no? I don't see the no no there either. Sometimes angles are tricky to determine in a video like this. If he broke the 180 he did it while we couldn't see it in the video based of what I can see... probably while inserting the fresh mag. I would not have DQ'ed the shooter for that, I would have made a muzzle call. It is really hard to tell what happens after this because the shooters back is towards us and only the safety officer could see what was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Based on that pic... and not seeing the angles well. I wouldn't have yelled muzzle either. It looks to me like the muzzle was forward of 180 while pointing upwards. There is no call on having the muzzle pointing upwards during a reload- that was made very clear during the RO class, unless they break the 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifu128 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Based on that pic... and not seeing the angles well. I wouldn't have yelled muzzle either. It looks to me like the muzzle was forward of 180 while pointing upwards. There is no call on having the muzzle pointing upwards during a reload- that was made very clear during the RO class, unless they break the 180. Is that an USPSA rule thing? I know in IDPA most SO's will call you on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'm not second guessing the ROs at all so I hpoe my post doesn't construe that intent. I think the infraction incurred after you could not see my gun any more. I could be wrong, however. Hell, even if it didn't happen I learned several valuable lessons so I'm okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 I take extra time practicing reloading to my left. I bet you'll beat that into your practice regime. Congrats on making the VP! If I ever actually have the time to practice, I'll throw that in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Based on that pic... and not seeing the angles well. I wouldn't have yelled muzzle either. It looks to me like the muzzle was forward of 180 while pointing upwards. There is no call on having the muzzle pointing upwards during a reload- that was made very clear during the RO class, unless they break the 180. Is that an USPSA rule thing? I know in IDPA most SO's will call you on that. There is no rule in USPSA against pointing the muzzle straight up, as long as you don't break the 180. I'm not sure about IDPA rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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