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Mike, Two home town web pages for you http://www.utahshooters.org http://www.udpl.net

Many modern semi auto's are every bit as capable of bolt gun accuracy from a mechanical standpoint given the same barrel length, ammunition, quality of construction/components etc. However it is much more difficult to drive the gun properly than a bolt action. There are three distinct recoil impulses to an auto where a bolt gun has only one. This in and of itself can easily create the accuracy difference most experience.

So that must make USPSA Limited shooters GIANTS !

There is no rule nor any talk of a rule that would make the load 2 method illegal in the United States.

keep us posted. I know early on the .308 loading was very hot in a lot of gas guns. It will be interesting to see what the .223 stuff does.

I would run a Vanek trigger and sights of your choice. I prefer Sevigny Competition with a fiber optic front. Dawson +5 basepads on all the mags. Done!

Exactly!

Across the board I think the products from Rafter S Gunleather are the best value available. A wide selection of options all less expensive than competitors but equal or higher quality. I have had two of their belts for going on 8 years and you would be hard pressed to notice any appreciable wear.

No problems with the Techwell here either and I have pretty substantial hands.

Getting first focal plane scopes to have daylight visible illumination is extremely difficult. That's why the only scopes with truly RDS bright illumination are second focal plane scopes (Meopta, Swaro). The game is changing though with the dual focal plane scopes like the US Optics DFP and the Leupold CQSS

With Steel Challenge, Ruger Rimfire, local club run .22 matches etc etc. Please explain this lack of bread you speak about. If we look simply at your financial arguement, the crux being that .22 ammunition is more economical to shoot week to week, it does not hold water. Let's assume that the budget shooter you speak of has a .22 pistol that would be suitable for a match. I would doubt they have the 6-8 magazines it would take to negotiate a long field course. I would further posit they do not have a suitable holster nor magpouches for the aforementioned mags. So right off the bat you have now saddled Mr. Budget shooter with a significant expense. This seems to be contradictory to your stated purpose of economic savings. This is only the first objective argument against what you propose, speaking nothing of the already mentioned administrative, regulatory, and pragmatic hurdles such a change would involve. Instead of dismissing the arguments as simply a difference of opinion, why not recognize that .22 is a poor fit with USPSA and pursue other avenues of rimfire competition.

Eric, Can't argue with any of what you said. To be honest now that I pretty much only shoot 3 Gun there is absolutely no need for it and i can only think of a couple of stages where it was a nice to have . Either way it always did make me feel pretty

Funny that you would say that... I, for one, would love to see an AIPSC league right here in the US. By the same token, I honestly believe that the OP makes some great points in favor of a .22LR Division in USPSA but sadly, there is a lot of resistance by the shooting community to any sort of change. I will jump on Mark's bandwagon and agree that I am grateful for those who are willing to defend the principles of the sport in the face of those who constantly want to undermine it. The underminer's sing the song of change, however it is generally just a call for accomadation of their personal desires. The shooting community enjoys thousands of flavors. There is ample opportunity to either sample other flavors or develop your own. But please leave the flavor of USPSA alone. It was founded on an unflinching, objective assessment of the martial application of firearms while upholding the standard of DVC. It was never meant to appeal to every shooter. Quite the contrary it was meant to appeal to those very few who wanted to pursue the absolute pinnacle of performance, and withstand it's constant assessment of their strengths and weaknesses. I would love to see the sport grow in it's appeal and popularity. However I would like to see it grow because a larger percentage of people desired to partake of its fundamental attributes, rather than be drawn by a watered down, compromised version that accommodates everyone's desires.

I agree somewhat with what Eric said. When you feel the mag it is obvious that they will not be as durable as STI or SVI mags. However, I took a stock Rescomp tube, added a Bolen 3mm basepad, bolen spring , and bolen follower for a 22 rd start mag that runs just fine. It is also easily reloadable with 21. I don't run this mag often as it gets princess status due to the above concerns, but it is very reliable and nice to have when the situation calls for it.

So by analogy, if I am interested in golfing, and I wrongly perceive that I need $2500 worth of clubs, bag, and balls (yes I said balls ) to participate, the USGA should build a compensation mechanism into the game that would allow me to use a hockey stick and puck because they are cheaper/what I have/ lots of fun/ etc etc? No one here is saying that .22 matches are not a good idea, not fun, or not an economical way to enjoy shooting. However, they clearly are not USPSA.

No you don't simply ask question, and seek understanding and clarification. Instead you ask a question and then refuse to consider the responses that are offered. You further antagonize those respondents by inferring the response you received is ill founded. Do you honestly believe that after years of emperical practical experience, months of rules deliberation, review by 100's of years of individual cumulative experience, that USPSA arrived at a process that "screams unsafe gun handling" ? Or is it a possibility that YOU are simply uninformed, ignorant of the collective experience, or simply wrong? You receive responses with rulebook citations and clarification. You choose to ignore those responses due to any of the following reasons 1) The response does not further your purpose of trolling and causing confrontation 2) The response does not explicitly agree with your uninformed opinion 3) The response contains an element of truth and logic which seem to be beyond your grasp 4) Or the response cites facts, figures, or objective concepts that explicity show you to be in error. This pattern is repeated in many of your posts. I am open to the possibility that through written communication, oftentimes there are subtleties that may be lost/mistaken/misinterpreted. However, there is a distinct pattern to your posts that lead me to believe this is not the case. On other forums with less stringent moderation this would not continue to be a problem. On Benos the rules are different and even ridiculous questions are generally responded to with a definite shade of helpfulness rather than ridicule. If you feel that you are receiving ridicule and ill temperament in the responses you have received, please consider that YOU may be conducting yourself in a fashion that elicits such responses and make changes to your posting style accordingly.

There are many here that do exactly what you are asking about. But to put to rest the notion that you cannot load accurate rifle ammo on a progressive press, David Tubb uses a 550 to load his ammo. With a couple of searches you can find several different procedures/ setups to take care of brass prep, and powder check in the reloading section, specific to the press you have.

Biker Build Off was a great example of guys building bikes with craftsmanship and individuality. Matt Hotch Russell Mitchell Jesse Rooke Hank Young Roger Goldammer Mitch Bergeron Shinya Kimura Chica Mike Long What stood out from these guys in contrast to OCC and PJD was their attention to detail and level of craftsmanship. Not to mention the final assembly which looked much like the making of a watch going together. . You never saw them grinding on parts, hitting them with a hammer, or torching them to fit which is routine on OCC/PJD builds.

Lapping rings really has very little to do with how true the rings are. If the mount holes in the receiver are untrue the mount will then be torqued thus inducing some misaignment in the rings, lapping cures this even though the scope, rings, and mount were of the highest build tolerance.

nice

Russell Mitchell rocks!

It actually is very slow compared to a tube gun. No bolt hold open makes it a two handed affair at best.

This guy still rules the roost of model builders

My point was that for every part you want to claim JJ didn't build there were several more that PJD also did not build. Thank you very much for being one to admit that PJD does not build their bikes rather simply just order in and assemble. Yes they can program the hell out of clipart and fonts into the water jet, but I tend to prefer actually building and beating metal into submission rather than surgically cutting it. 2000 cosmetic rivets? so what, drill a hole install rivet....repeat. Not a single one of those rivets was structural. If you will recall Jesse James years ago built a riveted tank that actually sealed up and held fluid, much more impressive. Winning the design simply means that a majority of folks tend to value aesthetics more than function. If you belong to the crowd that trailers their bikes from rally to rally, only to park it at the bar so you can stand around in a tribal tattooed, leather clad crowd of costumed wannabe's, not to talk about the ride but to stroke each others egos over who spent the most on their bike....PJD's bikes rock. If you want to actually ride them they are a massive failure. To each his own, but to call either OCC or PJD's creations a motorcycle is a stretch as neither can be ridden. Rather they are meant to be parked and ogled. Cool maybe but not a bike.

Rest assured, part for part Jesse James' bike was much more crafted/built than Paul Jr's bike. You do know JJ has had his own line of wheels for quite some time right? PJD didn't build a single significant component of their bike. Every single bit of its structural or functional components (frame, suspension, motor, trans wheels etc) were farmed out. They did do a hell of a job bolting it together after it was sent out to plating though. Oh and a 1 gallon gas tank, further proof all PJD can build are coffee house bikes for the poser crowd.