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You're way ahead of me. Where exactly is the range? Trying to make reservations in the next couple of days. Craig, Don't worry about the location of the range. I'm sure the chartered buses will be at the match hotel to pick the shooters up at the service entrance.

mmmmmm Taco Bell

I'm in for the search. Have to hit Diners Driveins and Dives to search for places What is the name of the range?

You're way ahead of me. Where exactly is the range? Trying to make reservations in the next couple of days.

I don't know what ballistic information was used in the previous pic (bullet, velocity, etc) but here is another pic of the reticle zeroed at 200yds on the top of the center dot. The ballistic info for the round is a 55gr Nosler Ballistic Tip with a muzzle velocity of 3100fps The yellow highlighted bullseye shows POI for 300yds. Changing the round to a 68 gr Hornady BTHP at 2850 only changes the bottom most chevron to 593 yds instead of 609. The other holdovers remain the same.

MGM Switchview...... the one for the Burris XTR fits on the front step down of the power ring.

Two pages and noone pointed out the USPSA Shooters are the better shooters ???

Brian, out of stock...ask me how I know lol

It's an awesome platform....if the gun you're looking at doesn't come with both the light and heavy piston you can get the light piston from winchester and it will scream with the light loads

I guess it's not obvious... A cut shell acts like a slug until it impacts something solid. The terminal fall distance of a cut shell is WAY longer than buck or birdshot. So your miss flys a long ways and when the target is not in a berm, that would be unsafe. I think every rulebook I have ever seen would give ample, most multiple, opportunities to DQ someone for shooting a cut shell at a target intended for shot only. Don't do it and we can then end this thread drift off into the weeds. Aside from essentially shooting a slug at a target designed for shot you are also sending a solid shot column down your bore and through your choke that also has an extra circumference of hull around it. Your shotgun bore was designed to have wad material go down it at high speed not hull material. The increased friction has the potential to cause a catastrophic failure. Really just not a good decision from any standpoint.

First, way to overpriced, wouldn't even consider it. Second SX2' with the light piston should run shells down to the 7/8 oz trap/skeet loads. You should be able to easily score a solid used sx2 for $550-$600 range and you can even scare up a new one from Cabelas or Dicks for about the same price but there are getting very rare. Recently Cabelas had SX3's on sale for $750 again great price and they came with both the light and heavy piston.

I doubt any of us would do these things if we didn't enjoy them. However, I would not throw away tons of money on travel, lodging, ammo, etc.. on something I can do with friends and at work for a lot less money. I myself like the challenge. If I shoot well, I want to be in the money. That prize table is a BIG factor in funding my shoots. Granted I've only shot in one match. But I ended up coming out of it with a $600 pistol that paid for my match fees and loding. I will continue to shoot the matches. But at least before there was a chance, however slim, that I could make it to a shoot off. Now there is ZERO chance. You won a pistol in a 3 Gun Nation shootoff? Or did you win it off the prize table that will still be at every match you may shoot?

I hope your rules specifically spell that out prior to people attending your match. Pretty much any match around has a clause somewhere that covers stupidly unsafe acts committed by a shooter. Shooting cut shells is most definitely a Darwin Award winning activity of Youtube worthy proportions.

Here's the list of overall standings. http://3gunnation.com/the_series/standings/s/overall_standings Don't forget shooters can opt in or out of the PRO Series so most likely the names will go much deeper than 64.

Assuming Greg started shooting this year (2012) and participated in either the Divisional races or the upcoming qualifying match, his past performance would indicate that he would most likely receive an invite to the PRO Series for 2013. Yes 1 match, for all the marbles. That is if you can somehow beat out the hundreds of others trying to get on the list for that one match. I predict that one match sells out in less then a day. And like howard said, hope you don't have a malfunction, which im sure every top competitor did at one point or another last year, I hope its not at that "1" match. Did you even read the above posts containing the information that there will be a path through the Divisional races as well, or do you just want to continue believing your false assumption, factual information be damned?

Assuming Greg started shooting this year (2012) and participated in either the Divisional races or the upcoming qualifying match, his past performance would indicate that he would most likely receive an invite to the PRO Series for 2013. I'm not sure where the idea that the door is closed on the PRO Series going forward. It is simply incorrect. From 3GN's FB page QUESTION: What does that 3GN Pro Series do to the rest of us who shoot 3-Gun competitions? Are you change the 3Gun for Pros only? ANSWER: Nope! We have divisional series for all the equipment divisions, and we are launching a national club series this year as well! All this IN ADDITION TO the Pro Series. Also, in 2013 we will provide a qualification system for newcommers to qualify for the Pro Series who were outside the top 64 for 2011.

I got your sarcasm, but I'm not aware that sarcasm somehow negates insult. How exactly do you think the top 64 became the top 64? They were magically chosen for their good looks? picked out of piles of fairy dust pooped by unicorns? Oh wait a minute I know, they worked their asses off for years before 3GN even existed shooting, practicing, match directing, RO'ing, buying industry products, making products, working sponsors to support the sport, writing rules etc etc etc. To erroneously suggest that somehow they haven't contributed their fair share to the sport is a complete failure to recognize their contributions. How does this format eliminate the ability of any given shooter to work hard and make their mark? There are still 10+- national level matches to win as well as too many regional/local matches to garner recognition from. And fancy this, they're all the same matches we had before, weird huh? Not mention, this pro series is for 2012, rewarding those individuals who performed in 2011. As the Divisional races and qualifying match occur in 2012, those who choose can do the work necessary to make the PRO Series for 2013. If anything this new format eliminates the problems involved with the TV format for most of the matches. Yes the Pro series will involve only those invited to the series. But every shooter will now have the option to compete in the 3GN Divisional (Open, Lim, HM, etc), Club, and Category(Lady Jr.) series. To a large extent participation in these series will be transparent to the matches as it will not be necessary for match directors to make accommodations for 3GN but rather simply report scores and finishing order so that those shooters who have opted to participate in the series can be awarded the appropriate points. For those shooters who opt not to participate the matches will not change one whit. Brunt of the work? Assuming this theory that the middle classes do most of the work is true, how can you ignore that all the "upper classes" had to pass through the middle on their way to the top. With very few exceptions in this sport you would be hard pressed to find an example of a top shooter who did not progress through your "middle". Expectation of work? Again with martyring yourself. I haven't received my list of duties or expectations from 3GN yet, have you? If so what are they asking of you? I am unaware of any match that forces anyone to staff the match. Match staff is crucial and in my experience greatly appreciated by shooters of all levels. But it is hardly a compulsory expectation of any participant. I don't recall attacking the 1st Amendment, quite the contrary, I was using it as well. It's a two way street that can just as easily be used to point out the errors in thought as express them. With respect to resentment and disenfranchisement, on what grounds? If you are invited to the PRO series and don't want to participate, don't. If you don't like 3GN fine, and don't want to participate in the Divisional, Club, or Category Races, don't. You are still able to participate in 3 gun without any change whatsoever. You can attend those matches you want, shoot the divisions you choose and go merrily on your way. However, if you are not in the PRO series and want to be, you simply have to work your ass off like the PRO's, shoot in the matches you can and garner the points necessary to qualify for the PRO series in 2013. Simply put, there is no downside for anyone who just wants to shoot 3 Gun, only the upside of the sport garnering more exposure, more resources, more participants, and more momentum. Hardly something to be resentful over.

What a poor attitude. Martyr yourself much? I am not sure if you are referring to being under appreciated as an RO or if you are seeing yourself as treated poorly by fellow shooters, either way I will address both. RO Is there some magical match out there where competitors are served refreshing fruit while being cooled by palm fronds, all the while enjoying the spectacle of the RO's taping and resetting for their further enjoyment? If so where is it, cuz that sounds awesome (sarcasm intended). On the contrary every match I have ever attended required the competitors to do their share of taping, resetting, and even timing and scoring when necessary. With very few exceptions I have seen nothing but gratitude displayed by shooters toward the RO's and Match Staff. To have someone make the false accusation otherwise is simply offensive. Shooting I shoot quite actively and have attended at least 20 National level matches and numerous local/regional matches the last three years, so it would be safe to say my exposure level to the behavior and attitudes of fellow shooters is pretty broad. As a rule, I am proud of the camaraderie and helpfulness consistently displayed from shooter to shooter. Rarely does a match go by that sharing guns, gear, parts, or assistance isn't the norm. And I have yet to see a new shooter not be welcomed and given more well intended advice and help than they need. Is there an occasional bobble? sure. But to suggest some pervasive attitude of superiority exists and results in general maltreatment of fellow shooters is simply a ridiculously false accusation made in poor taste. Speaking for myself, I resent your comments. Speaking for my fellow shooters you're completely out of line.

There is much talk about the spinner....what load, what bullet, what pattern etc etc etc..... Trust me when I say that regardless of load, bullet, or sequence the key to the spinner is hits. You have to get your hits and be as close to square with the target as its presentation allows. If you don't get a square hit energy does not transfer and all the other talk is moot.

Tony, I'm thinkin we are both seeing many of the same things. The number at 64 ? to my understanding was to accomodate a one day format that would be friendly to filming and production needs for TV. As for the final 8....I don't think anyone would have picked that final 8 given the point standings. There were only 3 shootoff contenders from the top 20 and Strader was 60th in points! 4 of the 8 were in the 20-40th range. Not to mention, if you look at it realistically the final 8 in 2010 and 2011 were picked only from those able to attend one match each year, the 3GN Finale. In other words the points race played a very secondary role to how you placed in that one match, not a series. I agree this may or may not have the desired effects, however the process and formula have proven themselves before in other sports. Personally I like the chances that 3GN has as I know the people and I know the amount of effort and work they are putting forth. I can do nothing but wish them the best and put my shoulder on their wheel when I get the chance.

You are looking at this from a very bad perspective. 3 Gun Nation is actively creating a format to grow every bit of 3 Gun at all levels. The analogy of professional racing would apply. The chances of a regular guy to race Formula 1 is absolutely miniscule. But the excitement and fanfare of the huge race series' provide for all the little guys riding/driving/working the smaller tracks around the world. You can be guaranteed that without the exposure that the big companies get from National/International TV exposure they surely wouldn't give a nickel to the smaller exposure that exists at the everyman level. This move initiates 3 Gun Nation as a stand alone portion of 3 Gun. Which in turn limits No it actually wasn't all that fair as the inability to compare different division winners created a situation that made it impossible to have parity. There were also many problems in coordinating 3GN needs with multiple different match directors and rulesets. Just one example, many here have complained long and loud about the camera intrusion, shootoff delays, etc etc....this eliminates that from 7 of the 10 matches that were effected last year. There is still a provision for a new competitor to come from the ranks. As to Rustin B being an underdog he was ranked 36th overall this season, hardly an underdog (Hannish was 38th BTW and he was the runnerup). He also shot 5or 6 of the 10 available matches, again hardly an outside competitor. See my reply to Butch's comments above. Yes it's different and changing from the last two years but it is a necessary step to that raises the tip of the pyramid thus creating a wider base. Personally some of the machinations will effect the way I choose my season in a manner I would have not chosen for myself. But the bigger picture available to us at this point is the very thing folks have talked about having since I have been in this sport. If 2012's season serves to develop a completely independent stand alone 3 Gun Nation Pro Race in 2013, we then have the very best of both worlds. 12-14 great National level events (SMM3G, RM3G, Ozark, FBTG, MGM, etc etc) and the ability of the sponsors and manufacturers in our sport to showcase themselves on National TV. If you think this will not significantly increase the participation at local and regional levels as well as the total amount of $$$$ flowing into the sport, I think you are being very shortsighted.

Gary, Some info in here http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=130096

The tickets were free, so noone that I am aware of would have been stopped from getting them. I would venture a guess that the tickets served several purposes. 1) You could pick them up at the booths of 3GN sponsors so it increased their booth traffic. 2) Although the venue was large I am sure there was some limit as to the number of spectators it could accommodate. 3) Food and beverages were served, so again I am sure the tickets served a purpose in insuring there was enough refreshments without running out. 4) Even at a free cost, offering tickets only to those who were willing to seek them out increases the exclusivity of the event and creates substantial buzz thus increasing it's exposure and prestige. There may have been more reasons or none of these may have applied, but I think they are pretty good guesses.

On issue #1 Pay special attention to reaquiring/maintaining your NPOA after each shot. It sounds as if each shot is changing your body position forcing you to muscle the gun and resulting in subsequent shots being off. On issue #2 Breathe and blink. Even if you compromise your breathing for 30 seconds you can see measurable degeneration in the performance of your retinas. Breathing will keep the retina oxygenated and blinking will help with muscular fatigue of the focal muscles of the eye.