Alwaystryin Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 The scenario is triple tap 3 targets before moving to the next position. I have a 9+1 1911. I let the mag go on the way to the next position so I get there with 10. I get a Procedural for not retaining an empty mag. Assuming the call was correct, why should I retain an empty mag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Burwell Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yes it is a PE. Why? because the rule book says it is. (sorry not trying to be a smart a$$ just the way the game is played) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvc40jim Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) I don't know why... I've asked that locally as well. But that is what the rules say, you have to shoot till the gun is empty if you are going to drop the magazine and leave it lay if you don't want the penalty. Edited October 20, 2009 by dvc40jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Vigilante Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 The call was correct. I have been called for that same thing several times because I still had one in the chamber. Someone else will have to provide the reasoning behind this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic_jon Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I was told it was a safety issue and that was why to shoot till dry. Also IMO at least, shooting until slide lock is one of the fastest reload methods out there. As for the real reasoning, I will have to defer to the IDPA Home office guys for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision40 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 One of those rules that don't make any practical sence, but the call was correct. 9+1 I'm assuming you were shooting ESP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 +11ty Call was absolutely correct. Doesn't make sense at all, but it's one of those little known, until done to you rules. Get to know your rule book, can really help/hurt you in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwoods Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Here is why I believe it is a rule... IDPA is all about defensive pistol and they don't want gaming even though they take score and you are timed. In real life, you would not be counting your shots and you would shoot till empty or do a tactical reload if there was no eminent danger. If you do a combat reload (ie. not retaining mag), it is faster than doing a tactical reload or reload with retention. That would give you an advantage since you would already have one in the chamber and would not have to drop the slide. Counting your shots and dropping the mag with one in the chamber then reloading is not real life and IDPA is more about real life defensive pistol than practical shooting (USPSA). I don't shoot much IDPA so this is not intended to be in defense of IDPA, but just why I believe it is a rule. Hope this makes sense. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) What Randy said. Very well put. Edited October 20, 2009 by Steve Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben b. Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yes, Randy said it. And then Steve said it. And now me. It is an attempt to structure the game away from the "choreography" of IPSC. Which I thorough enjoy, BTW, I get out there and take sight pictures, plan my steps, look for my alignment points, rehearse my mag changes, check my angles, and dump partial magazines between arrays just like everyone else. But not when I play IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwb01 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 hmmmmm.............Sounds like some kind of malfunction and the magazine fell out on the way to the other position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1973 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 The scenario is triple tap 3 targets before moving to the next position.I have a 9+1 1911. I let the mag go on the way to the next position so I get there with 10. I get a Procedural for not retaining an empty mag. Assuming the call was correct, why should I retain an empty mag? I have been dinged for that at least 3 times. Slow learner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Jack Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Been dinged for this myself a few times. Once I got really hosed. Mag I was using failed to lock the slide back when the gun went dry - I dropped the mag and inserted a fresh one. You guessed it - 3 seconds more to my score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Jack Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Been dinged for this myself a few times. Once I got really hosed. Mag I was using failed to lock the slide back when the gun went dry - I dropped the mag and inserted a fresh one. You guessed it - 3 seconds more to my score. Forgot to mention that I racked the slide, but all the R/O saw was the slide down and that empty mag hitting the ground. He missed the slide rack. Oh well, sometime these things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwb01 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Been dinged for this myself a few times. Once I got really hosed. Mag I was using failed to lock the slide back when the gun went dry - I dropped the mag and inserted a fresh one. You guessed it - 3 seconds more to my score. Thats a malfunction !!!! I would have argued that one until the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Gonsalves Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Been dinged for this myself a few times. Once I got really hosed. Mag I was using failed to lock the slide back when the gun went dry - I dropped the mag and inserted a fresh one. You guessed it - 3 seconds more to my score. Thats a malfunction !!!! I would have argued that one until the end. +1 If the SO is watching the gun, he or she will see the mag coming out and watch to see if the slide needs to be racked or there is a round in the chamber allowing the shooter to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Been dinged for this myself a few times. Once I got really hosed. Mag I was using failed to lock the slide back when the gun went dry - I dropped the mag and inserted a fresh one. You guessed it - 3 seconds more to my score. Should have given the SO a procedural. The SO should have been watching the gun and during a reload he should have been watching even closer to check for finger on the trigger during the reload, muzzle direction and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Been dinged for this myself a few times. Once I got really hosed. Mag I was using failed to lock the slide back when the gun went dry - I dropped the mag and inserted a fresh one. You guessed it - 3 seconds more to my score. Forgot to mention that I racked the slide, but all the R/O saw was the slide down and that empty mag hitting the ground. He missed the slide rack. Oh well, sometime these things happen. Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Yep, you definitely got hosed on that one. Did you tell the SO what had happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmantwo Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Boy, IDPA sounds WAY too complicated! Not like USPSA at all, where everything is clear and concise. Man, they have a different rule for everything! (I especially like the cute little empty surrender hands, LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 No more complicated than USPSA.....just different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) Yes, Randy said it. And then Steve said it. And now me. It is an attempt to structure the game away from the "choreography" of IPSC. Which I thorough enjoy, BTW, I get out there and take sight pictures, plan my steps, look for my alignment points, rehearse my mag changes, check my angles, and dump partial magazines between arrays just like everyone else. But not when I play IDPA. If you play it then it must be a game of some sort right, so where does all the tacticool crap come from. If you surveyed officers in the field most of them are not playing by the rules of the IDPA game either. Edited October 21, 2009 by LPatterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Please reread the Forum Guidelines. Commentary on USPSA versus IDPA, and "real world tactics versus matches" do not belong on BrianEnos.com. There are many forums on the 'net that will welcome such discussion. This is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben b. Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) *Stepping back from the keyboard* Edited October 21, 2009 by ben b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwb01 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 *Stepping back from the keyboard* Good move ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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