philproulx Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 hi i just started to shoot lead bullets in practice cause of the cost of FMJ and CMJ i use hodgdon Longshot 5.8 gr on a 180 gr at 1.145 OAL wsp STI edge with a bar-sto barrel i got good results since that cast lead come from wheel weight i got bad results out of IMR 7625-- now i'm switching to medium-fast burning powders gonna try UNIVERSAL and TITEGROUP i what to check some other interesting load with other powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 They will call you diesel if you use titegroup with lead. You will have a lot of smoke. Try WST. It will still smoke but lesser than titiegroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_kahuna Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Here's what I use: 170 precision 4.9 WST OAL 1.170 Approach with caution, YMMV and all the normal disclaimers apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I prefer Unique over any powder when loading bare lead. My gun makes major with 5 grains under a 180gr bullet. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisStock Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Check this thread for quite a bit of tested data using WSF and WST powder behind lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I have some loads with WST and IMR PB for 180gr lead bullets from a 5" STI that I will be testing this weekend. I'll post the results. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 155 Precision 6.0 WST or 5.6 Titegroup ...... choo choooooo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harald Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Lee Bullet Mold 401-175-TC & 4.0gr vv 310 Gives me a PF of 174 in my 5" Edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribble Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 S&s Casting LSWC 175gr Universal glays 4.4gr 1.119 for a glock made 172 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Black Bullets 180gr FP Ramshot Competition 4.7 gr 1.185" OAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestB Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 200 gr. truncated cone 3.9 gr. N320 1.185 OAL Win. Primers Mixed Brass 170 PF Dawson Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) Okay, here are the 4 loads that I tested from my STI Edge with a 5" barrel. All 4 of these use a 180 gr. (actual weight is 185 gr.) Midstates lead truncated cone bullet. 4.8 gr. IMR PB loaded to 1.175" OAL 962 919 956 912 953 956 5.3 gr. IMR PB loaded to 1.175" OAL 981 975 963 987 974 988 4.2 gr. WST loaded to 1.175" OAL 871 886 886 877 874 870 4.5 gr. WST loaded to 1.175" OAL 900 930 901 928 907 915 With the 185 gr. bullet weight the IMR easily made major with a bit of smoke but not bad for outdoor shooting. It had a snappy recoil impulse but the sights still returned well. The WST had a harder time making major. The 4.5 gr. load made it barely but with very little smoke. The recoil impulse wasn't as snappy as the IMR PB and the sights returned well. These numbers are out of a slightly slow barrel. I chrono'd my E3 loads from this barrel and they ran about 30 fps slower than in my old STI barrel. BTW, it takes 917 fps to make 165 pf with a 180 gr bullet and 892 to make 165 pf with a 185 gr bullet. Conditions were mostly sunny and 45 degrees with a slight wind. Chris Edited January 18, 2009 by Resjudicata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybravo Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Out of my 5" Edge: Lyman 401638 mold (truncated cone style) 175 gr sized to .401 5.3 gr Unique Mixed brand brass Winchester primer OAL 1.127" 172 power factor Straight wheel weight lead, any brand lube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstew Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) I have been shooting AA7 data powder behind my own cast 175 TC boolits. I posted some load data http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...c=64727&hl= Edited January 21, 2009 by pstew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 180 LRN 3.5 T.G. @1.135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribble Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 S&s Casting LSWC 175grUniversal glays 4.4gr 1.119 for a glock made 172 I am also using s&s 220gr Lead with 3.0 clays in my SVI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I was using 200gr Black Bullets Int. with 3.3gr of E3. But now I am gonna try out some S&S 220gr with 3.1gr of E3. Also gonna test some S&S 180gr with E3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIshooter Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I've been using 4.2gr of VV N310 under a 180gr moly coated bullet loaded at 1.2" OAL for several years. This is a VERY soft shooting load that is very consistent in my 5" STI Edge. NOTE: Do NOT use this load with 1.135" OAL!!!...the pressure will be much higher! Unfortunately, I'm out of N310 and need to find something less expensive! Tite-Group is much cheaper, but I'm not excited about the prospect of running a smokestack... I've also got Unique, SR7625, Bullseye, Ramshot Silhouette, W231, & PowerPistol all setting on the shelf. If you have a favorite load with one of these powders, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraTen Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I prefer Unique over any powder when loading bare lead. My gun makes major with 5 grains under a 180gr bullet.Jim +1 My gun makes major with 4.8 and alot less smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpgb1 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I'm shooting 180 Black Bullet with 4.5 Solo 1000 out of a 5 inch gun and it makes 170pf I haven't noticed any smoke and it feels very nice, better than anything I've loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 200 grain bullet 4.3grns N320 powder WSP primers 1.190 OAL SOFT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstew Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Here's some WST load data I posted a while back. 176 gr lead out of a 4' S&W M&P aa7 data & WST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Z Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 My cast Lyman 175gr TC (ends up 180gr) 4.7gr Solo 1000 Win SP primer 1.120 OAL 170 PF when shot in my Edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justsomeguy Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) I've been using 4.2gr of VV N310 under a 180gr moly coated bullet loaded at 1.2" OAL for several years. This is a VERY soft shooting load that is very consistent in my 5" STI Edge. NOTE: Do NOT use this load with 1.135" OAL!!!...the pressure will be much higher!Unfortunately, I'm out of N310 and need to find something less expensive! Tite-Group is much cheaper, but I'm not excited about the prospect of running a smokestack... I've also got Unique, SR7625, Bullseye, Ramshot Silhouette, W231, & PowerPistol all setting on the shelf. If you have a favorite load with one of these powders, let me know. I have been playing around with Silhouette which is supposed to duplicate the old WAP. I don't know about that, but it has been very good so far. With a 180grn S&S LFN in a 5" XD Tactial I tested it over the chrono. 20rnds, 90 degree day, 5.8grns Silhouette, OAL 1.135 (This was an XD after all... it liked this length), Average speed was 989 for a power factor of 178. SD was 10.7. Shot into 2" at 15 yards over the chrono. In that gun I could back off about .1grn I guess. Same gun, same day with a Berry 180HP... Average speed was 950.5 for a PF of 171.1. Again nice accuracy. The gun felt good with this load, tracked nicely, and was not dirty with either bullet. I got a little smoke with the S&S 180, but I think it's the lube he uses. Not diesel like, but some smoke. I tried Silhouette a few weeks before that in an XDm40 and the lead S&S 180 when it was only 75 degrees outside and with 5.7grns (.1grn lighter) got 169PF so I don't think Silhouette is "temperature sensitive" in that those readings from a gun with 1/2 shorter barrel and .1 less powder seem about right, although my notes show that my OAL that day was 1.130 instead of 1.135. I am really liking the Silhouette so far. The gun runs cool and feels great... to me at least, though I am no Master or anything. As to Unique... In the XDm a few weeks earlier with a 73 degree day, 20rnds again (I always shoot 20 over the chrono) OAL 1.130, 5.4grn Unique, S&S 180, Average speed 980.3, PF 176.5, SD 11.0. Notes say it was smokey... My memory says quite a bit more than the Silhouette load above. However, ran cool, clean, and was accurate in that it stayed well within a 3" circle I use as a target over the chrono at 15 yards. The chorograph is always at 10 feet though in case you are wondering. Again, probably could back off .1grn and still be with a cushion for PF, but I was just testing the lead bullet with some different powders on these occasions and had to start somewhere. These loads are a result of having just acquired some S&S lead bullets and trying them out for the first time in some of my guns with the powders I had. I also tried some Longshot, 7.0grn which gave a quite brisk 1062fps in the XDm for PF of 191.2. It did not lead the barrel and was, again, nicely accurate out of that gun. Although the PF was about 20 points higher than would be necessary for USPSA, Longshot is a nice powder in that it did not feel that much heavier and there were no pressure signs whatever at that loading... and indeed the book says you can go up to 8.0grns if you so desire with a 180grn bullet but not below 6.5. Edited August 2, 2009 by Justsomeguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I use Space Coast 180grn trn cn bullets, over Alliant Power Pistol powder, 6.7 grains, some smoke (not much) but it is a very clean powder. OAL of 1.135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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