bbbean Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hmmm... 1 lb Clays = $15.40, 1000 Montana Gold 180 gr FMJ = $124, 1000 Starline brass = $134, 1000 CCI primers = $26. By my calculations, that puts a case of ammo at just under $300. Atlanta Arms will sell me a case for $250. What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911user Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hmmm... 1 lb Clays = $15.40, 1000 Montana Gold 180 gr FMJ = $124, 1000 Starline brass = $134, 1000 CCI primers = $26.By my calculations, that puts a case of ammo at just under $300. Atlanta Arms will sell me a case for $250. What am I missing? You are quoting new brass. Go once-fired and knock $100 off the brass cost. Maybe they aren't, but the bullet costs also seem high. For that price, I'd be shooting lead bullets at $60/K or less. Also you will be getting a custom load that shoots soft compared to factory ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofcrfs242 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 You have to factor in that you can reload that 1000 pieces of brass several times taking a fair bit of the expense out. You can also tailor the loads to your gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ong45 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I can see where you can cut maybe $40 by buying components in larger quantities. Atlantal arms is a smoking deal , when you start reusing that brass you'll come out O.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hmmm... 1 lb Clays = $15.40, 1000 Montana Gold 180 gr FMJ = $124, 1000 Starline brass = $134, 1000 CCI primers = $26.By my calculations, that puts a case of ammo at just under $300. Atlanta Arms will sell me a case for $250. What am I missing? The more you load, the cheaper that price will go since the price of the brass will be more distributed. Does AA use Montana Gold bullets in that price? Not sure, but does your load use all off the 1 Lb of powder? When you buy in bulk, prices also goes down (8Lb powders, 5000 primers, bulk brass, bulk bullets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 +1 Buy it all in bulk! It should be costing you about $210 per thousand if you get good prices on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvb Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 1000 Starline brass = $134 And if you average 5 uses out of that brass before it all gets lost then it's only $27/1000. That brings your ammo cost to $192 / 1000. Buy more in bulk and save more $. Buy 1x-fired brass for ~$50/1000 (or ~ $10/1000 if you average 5 loadings). to cut your cost to ~$175 / 1000. Scroung public range brass for FREE brass. This is why I don't mind shooting 38super for open. Yea brass is expensive, but if I can get even just 3 or 4 loadings on average per piece of new brass, it's still cheaper than going to wallmart and buying 9mm. -rvb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S. Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hmmm... 1 lb Clays = $15.40, 1000 Montana Gold 180 gr FMJ = $124, 1000 Starline brass = $134, 1000 CCI primers = $26.By my calculations, that puts a case of ammo at just under $300. Atlanta Arms will sell me a case for $250. What am I missing? For the first run through, you aren't missing a thing. As other's pointed out, the bulk of the savings is in the reused brass. Do your math this way: First 1000 rounds from bought from Atlanta arms = $250 A savings of $50. Second 1000 rounds = 1lb Clays ($15.40), 1000 Bullets ($124) and 1000 Primers ($26) for a total of 165.40 Remember, there's no brass cost because you're reloading the first 'store bought' batch. That results in a savings of $84.60 over the store bought ammo. Now factor in that you can save additional money by purchasing in bulk, and the 1000 round price should drop to around $140 to $150 tops, or $100 to $110 per 1000 rounds. If you use lead cast, it's even cheaper. This isn't considering the ability to tune the rounds to the gun, or making 'soft loads' for a more sensitive shooter either. To be honest though, very few people actually save money reloading, becasue they end up shooting more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Also, keep in mind that a pound of Clays = 7000 grains. You will load way more than 1000 rounds with it. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 If you are looking for the least expensive way to throw lead down range, you don’t want to buy new brass as others have pointed out. If I use “homemade” cast bullets and range brass my 230gr 45 load cost $34/1000. You might also look into plated/coated bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Dog Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 You are correct. If you have to buy brass it is hardly worth the effort to reload. I never buy brass. when I run low I buy a case lot and reload the brass from that. buy the case of AA. keep the brass and start your reloading after you shoot it up. yankee Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino_aki Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Is that "case" a case of 1000? Most retail cases are for 500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Is that "case" a case of 1000? Most retail cases are for 500. They say it's a 1000-round case... Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 What am I missing? The tremendous availability of low cost once fires 40 S&W cases, compared to the almost non-existent supply of once fired 10mm at reasonable prices. You can use once fired 40 brass and leave it on the ground with each case costing about the same as the primer. Try that with 10mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen517 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Yup I just calculated it up I load 40 for between .15 and .21 cents a round thats 150.00 to 210.00 per 1000 big savings ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr renwick Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) I am shooting lead $60/1000 primers 30/1000 brass was 22.5/1000 1lb clays was $20 and i will get 2000 out of that. That puts me at 13 cents a round. However i am a brass collecting fool so i get a lot of free brass do to the fact that a lot of people don't pick theirs up. That brings me down to 11 cents a round. Edited January 29, 2009 by mr renwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) I did a calculation a couple of days ago for 40S&W, using the numbers supplied by the person and it came out to $7.02/50 which is $141/M. He was told that by purchasing primers by the case (5000) and his selected powder in 8lb lots plus the bullets in 5000 lots the cost will be reduced further. YMMV. This was after a year of loading because I amortised the equipment too. Edited January 29, 2009 by RePete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 You are quoting new brass. Go once-fired and knock $100 off the brass cost. Bend over and pick it up yourself for $0.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Only brass I have ever purchased new was Starline 9mm Supercomp - and then I loaded it over & over until the primer pockets got really loose (and then I used it for 9mm Largo in an antique gun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I just switched to Wolf Primers for a real price advantage. They were $85 for 5000 at Widners but when I ordered 10K the price dropped to $75 per 5000. I cast my own bullets so the cost of the bullet is very cheap. No way anyone can match it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolduckboy Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Precision Delta sells 180 FMJ (Good Quality) for 106 per thousand, min order of 2K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 One other thing is that if you buy a case of MG 180FMJ you get 2,500 for $276 so it works out to $110/K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Don't forget, that Atl Arms price is for range brass. Check their price on NEW ammo. Do another calculation on the cost of 1000 bullets without the cost of brass and that's where you'll be when you reload all your once fired brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark K Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 $008.50 Powder (1500 rounds a pound in my load of clays) $018.00 Primers (Wolf at $90 for 5K) $106.00 Bullets (40 SW Zero) $030.00 Brass (if you buy once fired - I just bought 5000 40SW for $150) I also trade with other shooters - I don't shoot 45, my shooting buddy does, he does not shoot 40. I give him the 45s I pick up, He gives me 40s. Same goes for my buddys that shoot 9mm and not 40) $162.50 Total These w Even when I shot VV powder, it was still cheap. At current ammo prices, and even at current component prices, I have paid for my 650XL this year alone. Mark K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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