Heavy Metal Only Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 My sister picked up a 25cal auto baby pistol for personal protection and was asking my questions like what was the muzzle velocity and fps. It has a barrel length of like 3 inches and the rounds are a winchester. I don't know crap do you???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 (edited) Depends on which ammo she is using. Depends on grains of powder, bullet weight, etc. Edited November 20, 2007 by jasmap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Winchester ammo? http://winchester.com/products/catalog/han...jUgQXV0b21hdGlj http://winchester.com/products/catalog/han...jUgQXV0b21hdGlj Enjoy, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 (edited) I have a lot of data like that on hand for the CPL classes I teach to those interested in "personal" carry here in MI. She would have been much better off with a .22...... The .25 is the lowest rated pistol caliber in the FBI trials and shooting numbers..... plus the 25 ammo will cost her 3--- 5 times what the .22 would cost Here's the poop .25 vs. .22 lr .25 cal average weight 50 grains--- average speed 710 fps ---average energy 56 foot pounds---- average stopping power with one shot 22% .22 average weight 37 grains ---average speed 1,000 ---average energy 112 foot poundws ---average stopping power with one shot 27% (The hyper velocity and ultra fast heavier .22s would obviously rank even higher) The stopping power is the percentage of shootings from the FBIs report that are over after one shot...... The .45 ACP is 90%..... The .25 is clearly a LMG caliber..... which means if the BG has ahold of you... you put it in his stomach and yell Let Me Go as you repeatedly pull the trigger. Edit to add--- I see a few of these guns in classes and another issue is that they are very prone to failures to feed. Probably due to the tiny cheap mags, and short lead bullets. They are the last pistol I would want to use for defense. Edited November 20, 2007 by MichiganShootist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsablazin Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The one advantage to a .25 over the .22 is the reliability of centerfire ammo. If I were going to use one for carry it would be loaded with FMJ ammo only, the round is so underpowered it needs all the help it can get penetrating anything. I have a Berreta .25, it holds 9 rds. is quite accurate for a pocket gun, and is also 100% reliable. Even so I only carry it when I can't carry a gun. I would recomend your sister to get a bigger gun. On the flip side I had a friend shot and killed with a .25 with one shot, so I would never say they are totally useless, I just wouldn't want to bet my life on one on a regular basis. JMHO, Robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The stopping power is the percentage of shootings from the FBIs report that are over after one shot...... The .45 ACP is 90%..... And that is WHY I carry a .45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 (edited) Me too Jay... but the S & W 40... is a wee bit higher at 94%...... But those are averages and if you look at only "events" where premium ammo was used the .45 is almost 100%... I like the Winchester 230 grain STx JHPs (the hole in the end would have room for a couple .25s. I agree with Gunsablazin on the FMJs in mouse guns. It improves the reliability and penetration. The .25s I see that won't run are generally Ravens or some other "off" brand (or an ancient colt) loaded with lead round nose bullets .... because they cost the least. Edited November 20, 2007 by MichiganShootist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The .25ACP reminds me of a line in Blazing Saddles....you dont want to shoot mongo, you'll just make him angry!!!! that being said......I've heard that most US factory loads are not much better than .22RF. Hand loading is key to the the 25ACP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinBlue Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The stopping power is the percentage of shootings from the FBIs report that are over after one shot...... The .45 ACP is 90%..... And that is WHY I carry a .45 Bigger bullets make bigger holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Only Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 wow I had no idea about the 25. If she would have asked me I would have told her to get a .45xd as I use that one for matches and is a great cheap gun. Shes a weenier and doesn't like loud bangs but if someone was hurting her I don't think she would care. I'll mention to her also to stop buying guns from pawn shops and crack heads. Thanks for all the info you guys really are know it alls. lol thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 "Friends don't let friends carry mouse guns." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 "Friends don't let friends carry mouse guns." +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Girls have the advantage of carrying a purse, which may allow for a bigger gun. At least get her a Kel-Tec .380. Kel-Tec now has a new slimmer 9mm sort of like the Kahr PM9 .... but obviously much less price than a Kahr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Only Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Girls have the advantage of carrying a purse, which may allow for a bigger gun. At least get her a Kel-Tec .380. Kel-Tec now has a new slimmer 9mm sort of like the Kahr PM9 .... but obviously much less price than a Kahr. Hey dude if you knew my sister you would know she don't carry a purse, Know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek45 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I think it was Jeff Cooper who said he rather be armed with a hatchet than a .25 I can't disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I think things at Heavies house must be a bit off if you know what I mean ! Come on now a 3" barrel on a .25?? I think it is more like a 1.5" a 3" would be like the "Buntline" of .25s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 HMO, you should simply tell her that, for personal protection, the choice shall be to carry the smallest/most comfortable gun ... that will still do the job. The latter part is fundamental, otherwise there is no point in having the first ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 22lr to 380 calibers are 'last-act-of-defiance' pistols. They are to be used when you know the gig is up and you have lost the fight. They provide cops invaluable amounts of DNA evidence of your assailant, and assist in identifying the individual through matching the bullet removed from his body to the mouse gun you shot him with. That is all they are good for. Hell, I've even seen a suicide attempt with a .25 cal go bad. The person shot themselves in the side of the head with the mouse gun at point blank. The bullet impacted the scull and then traveled around the scull under the skin and exited the other side. Result - massive headache, lots of blood, 4 stitches, a prescription for motrin, and a manditory 72 hour observation period with a shrink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I would try to steer her towards a Glock 19 or 23 if size isn't a big concern or a 26/27 if it is. They cost more but are worth every penny when you start to worry about whether or not you are really safe. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 There is a nice Kahr for sale in the classifieds http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56292 -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Only Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 I think things at Heavies house must be a bit off if you know what I mean ! Come on now a 3" barrel on a .25?? I think it is more like a 1.5" a 3" would be like the "Buntline" of .25s I guess I should have put my tape measure on the barrel. mabey it is only 1.5. The make is a titan and when I broke it down, well if thats 1.5 well I guess I can't tell what 3 inches looks like. ( I did hold it up to my well never mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911nm Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) I might suggest you have your sister look at CorneredCat.com. The owner is really sharp lady who discusses a variety of issues on concealed carry for females. Sorry, linky impaired. Edited November 23, 2007 by ima45dv8 Fixed linky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 S&W 640 It works every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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