Bob Hostetter Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 The 300 Whisper is what I was thinking about. It meets the old requirements of being 30 caliber, but depending on what "larger" means it might not meet the new requirements.... Dial caliber? you so funny............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share Posted September 6, 2006 Yeah, I don't have the dimensions at hand but I am pretty sure the Whisper is too short. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 (edited) Yeah, I don't have the dimensions at hand but I am pretty sure the Whisper is too short.-ld The 300 Whisper is based on a 221 Fireball. Shorter than a .223 Remington. I believe the original intent was to keep a 220 grain bullet, subsonic. Edited September 6, 2006 by Dan Sierpina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Everytime the Heavy metal discussion comes up we have to wade through the WW1 gear and more macho guns should be the tools of HM. Guys, step up and play! Shoot the division as/was defined and see what you think after. I have shot regular (pre-HM) 3 gun with a Garand and a '97 and stock 1911. So what. I am sure the competitors that SHOOT in this division are not there as side show freaks for your entertainment no matter what gear they choose to use. Come join us with whatever gear you have that fits the criteria and see first hand what challenges you will face overcoming ammo management, torque and recoil! Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL1 Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Guess I will be shooting tact-iron this year, and let the m1a take a rest. btw I shoot m1a,m1s90(or mossberg 590 if rules require),and glock 21. Good luck with making peace Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmilk9 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 power factors for 3 gun are BS! oops I might be in trouble again. He-man(heavy metal) rules should be: .30 cal rifle/.45 or bigger pistol/and a PUMP shotgun. Is there an advisory board for mystery mountain 3 gun or is someone pulling this out of the Anus??? Its sad that its my home club and I dont even know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 Good luck with making peace Larry. Thanks! I may need the good wishes. power factors for 3 gun are BS! oops I might be in trouble again.He-man(heavy metal) rules should be: .30 cal rifle/.45 or bigger pistol/and a PUMP shotgun. Is there an advisory board for mystery mountain 3 gun or is someone pulling this out of the Anus??? Its sad that its my home club and I dont even know! I don't know about an advisory board but you can contact the match coordinators here. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Having shot He-Man with whimpy loads and all......I guess I would have to say, lets keep it He-Man (I no longer do the whimpy PF stuff......but gaming IS my nature). I guess the thing that concerns me more is that there is a growing inconsistancy between the big 3 gun matches as far as equipment goes. I would have thought the opposite would have happened, personally As it stands right now......for a guy to travel around and shoot He-Man at these matches.....he need to change his equipment out to be 'competative'......a single stack pistol with no bull barrel with 8 and 10 round mags, maybe a double stack and an array of magazines. A pump shotgun, a semi-auto.....note....some rules state start with 9 rounds, some state 9 round capacity. Even the rifle.....as far as the comp goes, one match allows these to be bigger than 1" dia. Also, keep in mind...this is not limited to the He-man division alone for these matches So whats the simple answer???? Vote? Talk amoungst the MD's? Maybe a new organization? Hmmmmm....wonder what direction the thread will take now Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderado Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Heavy Metal Rule Changes For SMM3G ... I think the SMM3G rule makers might be trying to get HM pistols in line with USPSA's Single Stack Rules where you are allowed a single stack 1911 in .45 wih 8 round mags or a .40/10mm cal gun wih 8 round mags wih 165 PF. 9mm caliber guns are also allowed with 10 round mags but are not competitive given USPSA's scoring rules. Anyhow the changes struck me as being Single Stack "friendly." As for the 7.62X51 or larger rifle cartridge requirement and "360" PF (USPSA major rifle PF is 320) I have a feeling that the rule makers are trying to address HM shooters who shoot 110 grain and perhaps lighter bullets on the short courses of fire to be able to go faster. A 110 bullet must go 3,272.72 FPS just to make the 360 PF and yu usually want a margin of safety, so let's say 3,350 or 3,400 FPS ... good luck doing that with a .308 (7.62X51) :-) You can achieve such 110 grain bullet velocties with a 30-06 with a 26 inch barrel ... The .300 WSSM Wildcat might also be able to acheive 3,400 FPS with a 110 Grain bullet because it holds more powder than a .308 case and it is supposed to be more efficient Fat and Short case design. Never the less, a longer barrel than normally used in HM would most likely be required. I'm not sure that this post will be of any real value to anyone who shoots HM and will shoot SMM3G in 2007, but I hope it might add a little to some folks' understanding of the issues and prompts for the changes ... Ultimately I agree with Partick Kelly's post on this topic. Shut up and shoot .. :-) Best to All, Darrell Humphrey "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when subsituted for insight and understanding." Marshall Mcluhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim3gun Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 My personal opinion, I think the powers that wanna be just shot themselfs in the foot with this rule change. If 40 is allowed and Glock 45's are not allowed, you wont see me or my brother shooting in HM class ever again. Not a good change if you ask me, but obviously you didn't. Good Luck with keeping this class alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apriav Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Heavy Metal - He Man Rifle - .308 or larger caliber - 20 rounds max. in the weapon. Iron sights Shotgun - 12 ga. pump action - 9 rounds max. in the weapon (no box magazines) Handgun - .44 or larger, 8 rounds max. in the magazine Any brand of weapon may enter. This way the weapons you use for heavy metal in the other matches can also be used here. Why would you want to change a good thing? Seems like HM is just getting a good start in most of the matches I have seen. This is how it should be, we need to get the rules the same as other matches. Changing things makes divisions of an already very small group of shooters. How about getting together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPiatt Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I just got my guns built and they're messing with the rules.... go figure. I'll have to go measure the length of my pistol mags.... Caspian Wide Body in .45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Better skinny up that wide body if you're shootin He-man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atek3 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Weak. My setup was a homebuilt FAL, 870 pump, and an XD40... basically a very competitive heavy metal setup for under 1000 dollars. Now I need a new gun, awesome. atek3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPiatt Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I'll shoot the wide body. Mags hold 10 max... i'll load them to 8 for the 8-round-rule. The ProMags I'm using are the right length and will load easier than a skinny mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I made the offer to let them use one of our full-auto .45 ACP CAV-16s as a pick up gun on a stage if they get the ammo for it. I hope they go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 My mistake.....wide bodies look as though they can be used......just not the SVI's, STI's oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunther Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I agree with Kelly an T3gun if you don't shoot the Heavy Metal it might go away but that could be a good thing. If no one shoots or they get enough complaints maybe they will change the rules back. Until then Iam unofficially changing the name to HE BOY & MEDIUM METAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted October 25, 2006 Author Share Posted October 25, 2006 New revisions to the rules have been posted. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Looks like they have clarified to allow ONLY traditional 1911-pattern single-stack pistols in HM (no more STIs with half empty mags). Oh well, that decides it for me - Tac Iron again in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 That's assuming you get in. I'm just hoping I get in again. Tulsa is too dang far so it looks like the only major 3 gun match for me next year is SMM3G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 The Area 1 3gun in Albany may also be a good option if Tulsa doesn't work out for ya' RS. I'll most likely try for both Tulsa and Albany in 07. May even be a MOR match on the side in Albany ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 How about a para 40 s&w w/ bushing barrel for he man there at smm3g? Faster reloads w/ only 8 rds per mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 The application for 07 has been posted. Please note that the selection process has been changed. For more detail please see the match home page. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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