pmd Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) So while at the Steel Challenge in Piru CA last week, I was fortunate enough to win a Springfield XD pistol at Springfield's Friday's side match. I just called my FFL and discovered that new Springfield pistols are not Massachusetts "compliant" which means I cannot get it transferred to me - kinda a bummer.. Mass law links: http://www.fsguns.com/malawsandregs.html Edited August 22, 2006 by pmd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 The word of wisdom is the same as the guy with the questions about big stick mags in California...MOVE.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Don't ya just love this state Pauly Remember all those Taurus' we couldn't have last year ! With the November elections coming up and house prices/sales going stagnant maybe it is time to leave And for those that say "just move", it's easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 yea, it sux. like winning a lower at the dpms tri-gun, but can't bring it back to Kali. think the two mikes should consider getting a bunch of airsoft guns and doing those as prizes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorch Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) Don't Move, VOTE! them out of Office. it's your state. but easier said then done since Ted K. has been around Soooooooo Long. I heard it is illegal to have a empty piece of brass in your car up there is his true. Edited August 22, 2006 by scorch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 scorch Ted beat the Mary Jo rap...you think the fact that he is older than dirt will keep him from being an elected official till he dies? Not likely...you stand a better chance of getting more of what you want by moving... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Don't Move, VOTE! them out of Office. it's your state. but easier said then done since Ted K. has been around Soooooooo Long. I heard it is illegal to have a empty piece of brass in your car up there is his true. Empty brass meets the Massachsuetts definition of ammunition, and therefore cannot be posessed without an FID, LTC-B, LTC-A, Alien FID or qualification under specific and limited exemptions for hunters or competitors. I think a MA machine gun license also covers ammo - not sure about that one, and it's doubtful anyone in this state has a machine gun license without also holding an LTC. It's perfectly legal to have the empty brass in your car if you papers are in order. That being said, I am not aware of any cases where someone was charged for unlawful posession of empty brass. Ammunition prosecutions are not unheard of however. ps: Mace and pepper sprays is also defined as "ammo" in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Wise guys must like it in the eastern states llike NJ, Mass, NY, Pa, and Ill...all NON gun states...will they ban baseball bats next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Send it to me, I will shoot it for you, send you photos of it and emails telling you of it adventures here in Gods country Kentucky. You can even have visitation rights with out paying support. PS: That really bites, Dont forget, vote pro gun early and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 I really hate this frigen state!!!! Do you have a certificate for the pistol that you could sell? I was with John S. when he won the CZ at the Area 7 that he couldn't take home. Luckily these great laws make us so much safer!!! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 If it's the .45 I'll buy the certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisha Lowry Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Having been born and raised in Arizona where it was not unusual growing up to see people wearing guns in fancy leather holsters all the time, I am totally HORRIFIED at what people have to deal with in other states. How in the world did this happen in these states???? I agree....VOTE like crazy....then move to Phx where we can shoot in matches pretty much 7 days a week in the sunshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscbob Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 How in the world did this happen in these states???? UMMM.....WELLLLLL....Since the most popular reply here to anything even remotely political in these states is to suggest that the best way to deal with the situation is to move out and give up on the fight here, why is anyone surprised? It is easy to suggest activism when you live in a majority progun state and don't have to really BE an activist. We, the shooting sports community, are our own worst enemies. USPSA is not even slightly politically active and even BE has a policy against discussing politics here on the forum. When the anti gunner politicos are done in MA, CA, etc. You can bet that they WILL be coming to your state next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 I think it has something to do with garbage collection and disposal. In the free states, like Kentucky and Arizona, many people deal with their own garbage. They either burn or bury it themselves, or, hire someone to do it for them. In states with large metropolitan populations this is not possible and the government deals with the garbage. Once the government begins taking care of the garbage for you, everything else seems to go the way of the garbage and your liberties get trashed. There could be a Dissertation here for someone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmd Posted August 23, 2006 Author Share Posted August 23, 2006 If it's the .45 I'll buy the certificate. It is a 45 - but not a certificate. Looks like I may be shipping it to a friend and have him sell it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liota Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 pmd, If you decide to move, Texas has plenty of room and great gun laws. We'd welcome you. If not, vote your beliefs and what's good for you and your community. Ann Richards, former governor of Texas, refused to sign the concealed handgun legislation. She said, "If you don't like it, vote me out!" Governor Bush signed the legislation right after the next election. It does work. Liota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 As great at TX and AZ are, this Massachusetts resident has a hard time getting used the gun restrictions when visiting those states. Although Masssachusetts is generally repressive I can legally carry concealed in restaurants which serve alcohol, walk into the bar area while carrying if I'm waiting to be seated for dinner, and a business owner cannot make it a crime for me to carry in his her store/mall/hotel/whatever simply by posting a sign. It's a crime to carry while intozicated in MA, which is a much more sensible approach than a restaurant ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 VOTE, THEN GET A FRIEND TO VOTE, THEN EACH OF YOU GET ANOTHER FRIEND TO VOTE!!!!! Exponential : it grows at an exponential rate if you each get one new person to vote Pro-Gun each week. Please tell me you guys up there don't just sit up there and take NO action!!!!!!! Because if you are not being proactive, then you have NO right to complain. OK, I feel better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Rob Boudrie If I were a business owner, I would be grateful that I could request a CHL to leave my store...and here in TX you can carry in any eatery if it makes 51% + of its revenue from other than liquior by the drink...the CHL in TX is not repressive and is doing a great job...I have taught it for the last 11 yrs, and have not had any student get in trouble, over 2000 of them...I mean, hell, you guys can't even lock up Ted Kennedy for killing Mary Jo, and Californians couldn't convict OJ....so let's not even compare TX with either of those places.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Well, Congrats on winning, and sorry you can't take posession. The restrictions may lift sooner than later but that doesn't help you now. I hate the fact that restrictions are so easy to put into place. Make sure you VOTE for Larry. regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Rob BoudrieIf I were a business owner, I would be grateful that I could request a CHL to leave my store...and here in TX you can carry in any eatery if it makes 51% + of its revenue from other than liquior by the drink...the CHL in TX is not repressive and is doing a great job...I have taught it for the last 11 yrs, and have not had any student get in trouble, over 2000 of them...I mean, hell, you guys can't even lock up Ted Kennedy for killing Mary Jo, and Californians couldn't convict OJ....so let's not even compare TX with either of those places.. There is a BIG difference between allowing a business owner to order someone out of their store and allowing a business owner to make violation of a sign a criminal matter. MA business owners comonly establish rules such as "No shirt, no shoes, no service", "No shorts allowed", "Jacket and tie required", etc. - and do have the right to order someone to leave if they wish- with criminal consequences for someone refusing to vacate the premises. What business owners do not have is the ability to make entering their store in violation of one of these policies a crime for which someone can be arrested even if they agree to leave peacefully when asked. The MA CHL system is not without its problems (for example, it's discretionary, availability varies by your town, social class and connections, and the courts have upheld that a chief may revoke a license for exercising one's right to remain silent), however, the issuee is under fewer constraints than in TX - which is of particular interest if you do not wish to brief everyone in a dinner or shopping group that you have safety equipment with you. And yes, the Chappaquidick Kid is an embarassment to this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 (edited) Wise guys must like it in the eastern states llike NJ, Mass, NY, Pa, and Ill...all NON gun states...will they ban baseball bats next Take PA off that list, we can own what we want, got CCW, all the goodies...even considering following FL in "deadly force". Move here...your guns are fine, hi-caps (err, standard capacity) is fine, life is relatively good,even with a d*&^%$bag gov. Edited August 23, 2006 by vluc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Rob Boudrie There is a BIG difference between allowing a business owner to order someone out of their store and allowing a business owner to make violation of a sign a criminal matter. MA business owners comonly establish rules such as "No shirt, no shoes, no service", "No shorts allowed", "Jacket and tie required", etc. - and do have the right to order someone to leave if they wish- with criminal consequences for someone refusing to vacate the premises. What business owners do not have is the ability to make entering their store in violation of one of these policies a crime for which someone can be arrested even if they agree to leave peacefully when asked. I can only speak about Kentucky's law Rob but with our Concealed Carry law a business owner can post the signs of which you speak, but violating them is not a crime. If a busines owner sees your not very well concealed firearm he may ask you to leave and refusal to do so then becomes trespassing, but violating his "No Gun" signs is not in and of itself a crime. Dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 This thread needs to be moved to the Classifieds . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Texas has a large and obnoxious sign a business or other private property owner must post if they don't want you there-- walking past that and getting caught could be 'criminal trespass'. In the absence of the sign (and they aren't common, even in Austin), the property owner/operator has to ask you to leave, and you have to refuse before you've committed a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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