ysued Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) I bet these modifications to the Grip Insert "WON'T" be Allwed into Production Division!! Opinions?? Edited October 23, 2006 by ysued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 It won't be allowed, "eternal modification". Grip tape would be ok though. You just can't alter the gun itself in a permanent way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 It won't be allowed, "eternal modification". Grip tape would be ok though. You just can't alter the gun itself in a permanent way. Too bad Even to the Removable Insert?? Eric, where's the Tape??? Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Would the modified grip panels be ok if they were offered as an aftermarket replacement grip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Would the modified grip panels be ok if they were offered as an aftermarket replacement grip? Good question:D Is it time to contact John Amidon This is too funy!! I'm one of the ones that want to limit what can be changed on the PD Guns!! But I can't wait for Eric to come out with Grip tape!! Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Would the modified grip panels be ok if they were offered as an aftermarket replacement grip?no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) Would the modified grip panels be ok if they were offered as an aftermarket replacement grip?no... What about if the Backstraps were to be sold with Eric's Tape on it??? No Modifications to the Original Backstraps?? Y Edited October 23, 2006 by ysued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Burwell Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 So you can change the grips on your Sig but not on your S&W? I do not know the rules of USPSA as we don't have a club locally where I can play that game, but that seems kind of strange to me. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 If S&W wanted to offer it as a replacement I'm sure it would be allowed, just like the Sig custom shop grips. I would also imagine that another company, like APS could purchase some inserts and make "aftermarket grips" They would be the same external dimensions. They would probably even pass muster in IPSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 FYI, Brownells is now selling the M&P Sear Housing Block Assembly Without the Magazine Safety and No Internal Lock!! I just ordered 2!! Part Number 940-000-982 So, if your M&P has the mag Safety, you can easly fix that now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnisAndyz Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 What benefit does this have vs just taking the MS out? Is it illegal for production to take out the Mag safety? I ended up taking out the MS components and the sear takedown lever. It just breaksdown like a Sig/XD now...and its free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 What benefit does this have vs just taking the MS out? Is it illegal for production to take out the Mag safety? I ended up taking out the MS components and the sear takedown lever. It just breaksdown like a Sig/XD now...and its free? I was told that when the MS Devise is taken out, some spring has to be replaced!! Heck, I only paid $20.00, it's worth it for me What is the benefir of the Sear takedown lever?? Other than to take the Sear out of the way?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnisAndyz Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) What benefit does this have vs just taking the MS out? Is it illegal for production to take out the Mag safety? I ended up taking out the MS components and the sear takedown lever. It just breaksdown like a Sig/XD now...and its free? I was told that when the MS Devise is taken out, some spring has to be replaced!! Heck, I only paid $20.00, it's worth it for me What is the benefir of the Sear takedown lever?? Other than to take the Sear out of the way?? Yup...all the sear takedown lever does is release the sear without having to pull the trigger. You only need the spring IF you leave the takedown lever in there, if you take it ALL out you don't need anything. Have had 0 problems. Edited October 23, 2006 by ArnisAndyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp5 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 What benefit does this have vs just taking the MS out? Is it illegal for production to take out the Mag safety? I ended up taking out the MS components and the sear takedown lever. It just breaksdown like a Sig/XD now...and its free? I was told that when the MS Devise is taken out, some spring has to be replaced!! Heck, I only paid $20.00, it's worth it for me What is the benefir of the Sear takedown lever?? Other than to take the Sear out of the way?? Yup...all the sear takedown lever does is release the sear without having to pull the trigger. You only need the spring IF you leave the takedown lever in there, if you take it ALL out you don't need anything. Have had 0 problems. Just to be clear - if I simply take out the take down lever and spring, then I'm good to go? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 You should read Dan Burwell's instructions to do that first!! A spring must be repalced!! Y What benefit does this have vs just taking the MS out? Is it illegal for production to take out the Mag safety? I ended up taking out the MS components and the sear takedown lever. It just breaksdown like a Sig/XD now...and its free? I was told that when the MS Devise is taken out, some spring has to be replaced!! Heck, I only paid $20.00, it's worth it for me What is the benefir of the Sear takedown lever?? Other than to take the Sear out of the way?? Yup...all the sear takedown lever does is release the sear without having to pull the trigger. You only need the spring IF you leave the takedown lever in there, if you take it ALL out you don't need anything. Have had 0 problems. Just to be clear - if I simply take out the take down lever and spring, then I'm good to go? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnisAndyz Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) NO SPRING IS NEEDED! If you take out the entire Mag Safety AND the little yellow internal Takedown LEVER (not to be confused with the external takedown lever). Don't know how to make this more clear? Take out the sear block, knock out the pin thats holding the MS and internal Takedown lever and reassemble without those parts. DONE. You will now have to pull the trigger to disassemble. When you pull the trigger hold the slide in place as the sear will push back on the striker and the slide will want to move forward slightly. THE ONLY REASON YOU NEED THE SPRING is if you want to keep the takedown lever. It puts sideways pressure on it so it doesn't flop around. You should read Dan Burwell's instructions to do that first!! A spring must be repalced!! Just to be clear - if I simply take out the take down lever and spring, then I'm good to go? Thanks! Edited October 24, 2006 by ArnisAndyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 OK, Thanks!! The instructions I have leave the Sear block Lever!! Thanks NO SPRING IS NEEDED! If you take out the entire Mag Safety AND the little yellow internal Takedown LEVER (not to be confused with the external takedown lever). Don't know how to make this more clear? Take out the sear block, knock out the pin thats holding the MS and internal Takedown lever and reassemble without those parts. DONE. You will now have to pull the trigger to disassemble. When you pull the trigger hold the slide in place as the sear will push back on the striker and the slide will want to move forward slightly.THE ONLY REASON YOU NEED THE SPRING is if you want to keep the takedown lever. It puts sideways pressure on it so it doesn't flop around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 What gunsmiths do you know of that are doing competition oriented trigger work on the M&P? So far I know of: Dan Burwell http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com Dan's work has lots of positive comments on the M&P forum. Tom Novak http://www.novakshandgunneroutlet.com Found this with a search. I've heard some good things on Tom's Glock work. Who else? Or is it just so easy to work on that folks are getting acceptable results at home? I want a good trigger and I want 100% reliable. Reliable being more important than a 1.5lb break, but if I can have both them I'm really happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 The only one I knew of is dan Burwell. I didn't know about Tom Novak. Y What gunsmiths do you know of that are doing competition oriented trigger work on the M&P?So far I know of: Dan Burwell http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com Dan's work has lots of positive comments on the M&P forum. Tom Novak http://www.novakshandgunneroutlet.com Found this with a search. I've heard some good things on Tom's Glock work. Who else? Or is it just so easy to work on that folks are getting acceptable results at home? I want a good trigger and I want 100% reliable. Reliable being more important than a 1.5lb break, but if I can have both them I'm really happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 What gunsmiths do you know of that are doing competition oriented trigger work on the M&P? Ask member kend. He's in the dealer forum; Speed Shooter Specialties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasquatch981 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 FYI,Brownells is now selling the M&P Sear Housing Block Assembly Without the Magazine Safety and No Internal Lock!! I just ordered 2!! Part Number 940-000-982 So, if your M&P has the mag Safety, you can easly fix that now!! So does the above item include the sear? I looked at the schematic, but can't seem to determine if the sear can be purchased separately. I was reading the trigger job .pdf from dan burwell, and see that grinding/polishing of the sear is needed to shorten reset. Before I screw up my sear, I want to be able to determine where I can get a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Burwell Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 sasquatch, You can get a new sear directly frow S&W it is less then $5. I thought I saw brownell's listed them for sale seperatly or it would come included in the sear block assembly, but I'd rather pay $5 for just the parts you need. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Hi All, I will have my first M&P on the way here shortly. No time estimate on the tape, but I will do my best, lest Yamil show up on my doorstep and unleash some Puerto Rican whoopass all over me. For anyone in the Spokane area, or if I'll be at a match near you, I'll have at least one complete M&P rigs (holster/belt/mags/pouches) for people to shoot. So if you want to show up to a match and race an M&P before you buy, here's your opportunity. Eventually, I would like to have two complete rigs for new shooters. With the interchangeable grip inserts and reversible mag catch, the M&P seems ideal for getting new shooters into the sport. Thanks! E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Any word on the 5" models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysued Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 FYI, Brownells is now selling the M&P Sear Housing Block Assembly Without the Magazine Safety and No Internal Lock!! I just ordered 2!! Part Number 940-000-982 So, if your M&P has the mag Safety, you can easly fix that now!! So does the above item include the sear? I looked at the schematic, but can't seem to determine if the sear can be purchased separately. I was reading the trigger job .pdf from dan burwell, and see that grinding/polishing of the sear is needed to shorten reset. Before I screw up my sear, I want to be able to determine where I can get a replacement. AFAIK, it does!! but... I'll have my parts in tomorrow, so I'll post pictures of the parts I get!! Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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