Nimitz Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I recently saw a YouTube Channel video review of the new rules which stated that it was now legal to use IWB holsters but didn't see any specific reference to it in the rules updates. Did I just miss it or are they specifically not allowed. Please cite the actual rule if you know it, thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nimitz said: I recently saw a YouTube Channel video review of the new rules which stated that it was now legal to use IWB holsters but didn't see any specific reference to it in the rules updates. Did I just miss it or are they specifically not allowed. Please cite the actual rule if you know it, thx! IWB holsters have always been legal because they've never been prohibited. What is legal now is placing the holster anywhere along your belt in Production, Carry Optics, and Single Stack. IWB vs OWB has never mattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71Commander Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SGT_Schultz said: IWB holsters have always been legal because they've never been prohibited. What is legal now is placing the holster anywhere along your belt in Production, Carry Optics, and Single Stack. IWB vs OWB has never mattered. What mattered was pointing the gun too far to the rear when holstering an IWB that has an FBI cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 57 minutes ago, 71Commander said: What mattered was pointing the gun too far to the rear when holstering an IWB that has an FBI cant. That still matters. 5.2.7.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 Ok thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The big change recently is that appendix carry is now legal, because you can have your mags and holster anywhere on your belt, and that you may use a magnet in every division now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, broadside72 said: That still matters. 5.2.7.3 How practical is it to enforce that? We can sweep ourselves with a loaded gun when drawing or holstering, but a pistol in its holster is dangerous pointing at the ground 37" away? LOL Edited March 17, 2021 by SGT_Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 It is to the guys behind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 hours ago, waktasz said: It is to the guys behind you I've never seen a holster with more than 25 degrees of fwd rake. I'll let you work out the trig. Suffice it to say that I simply don't give a crap about that particular rule. There's bigger fish to fry safety-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SGT_Schultz said: I've never seen a holster with more than 25 degrees of fwd rake. I'll let you work out the trig. Suffice it to say that I simply don't give a crap about that particular rule. There's bigger fish to fry safety-wise. FBI cants are fine but I bet you would worry about that rule if someone walked up with one of the old SOB holsters that were popular for carry till people figured out falling one one was bad Edited March 17, 2021 by MikeBurgess add picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, MikeBurgess said: FBI cants are fine but I bet you would worry about that rule if someone walked up with one of the old SOB holsters that were popular for carry till people figured out falling one one was bad The conversation is about IWB holsters. I have no idea what this strawman argument has to do with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 7 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said: How practical is it to enforce that? We can sweep ourselves with a loaded gun when drawing or holstering, but a pistol in its holster is dangerous pointing at the ground 37" away? LOL It's a bit hard to enforce and if all other safety rules are followed this should not be an issue, but that does not mean the rules isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 16 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said: The conversation is about IWB holsters. I have no idea what this strawman argument has to do with anything. wasn't making a straw man argument I was merely countering your statement that you "don't give a crap about that rule" by showing that back in the day there was a real reason for said rule to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 hours ago, MikeBurgess said: wasn't making a straw man argument I was merely countering your statement that you "don't give a crap about that rule" by showing that back in the day there was a real reason for said rule to exist. I was going to reply, but that would be adding fuel to the ridiculous fire. You win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 IWB steel illegal for Steel Challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 12:59 PM, Ted Murphy said: IWB steel illegal for Steel Challenge. Nope. Legal. Concealment, however, is not legal. Have an IWB holster with no cover over it? Legal. Pull a shirt over it to practice from concealment? Not legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Steel Challenge rules 5.1.3. Due to the unique nature of the Steel Challenge, drawing from concealment or from inside the waist band is not allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 18 hours ago, teros135 said: Steel Challenge rules 5.1.3. Due to the unique nature of the Steel Challenge, drawing from concealment or from inside the waist band is not allowed. Ah, thank you. (I wonder when that change happened? Or if I missed it originally? I remember clearly the "from concealment" part, but I don't recall the "or from inside the waistband" part.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Well, the rules seem to be somewhat "fluid"... Edited March 25, 2021 by teros135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, teros135 said: Well, the rules seem to be somewhat "fluid"... Eh, I find that the changelogs are pretty solid. I don't see this in the most current changelog, so....apparently I missed it from before. Like I said, I appreciate you correcting my mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 What could possibly be unique about steel challenge that would make the prohibit concealment and IWB? No problems with either in IDPA and USPSA. Sounds like bulls#!t to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JodiH Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 The "or from inside the waistband" was added for Steel Challenge in the March 2020 rules update. The reason was that "In some locales, IWB is legally considered to be concealed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 What does that have to do with anything though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 9:17 PM, JodiH said: The "or from inside the waistband" was added for Steel Challenge in the March 2020 rules update. The reason was that "In some locales, IWB is legally considered to be concealed." Ah. Hm. I wonder how I missed that? I normally try to carefully read through all the changelogs with the rules when changes occur. (Off to go check to see if I kept a copy of the March 2020 changelog...) Regarding why it is important---in IDPA or USPSA, you won't (unless something has gone very, very wrong) have to draw 39 times in a match. More particularly, you definitely won't be holstering a loaded gun 39 times in either of those matches. My assumption is that they didn't want to have that much happening from concealment. (And considering that SC is all about speed, "concealment" makes little sense for anyone attempting to do well at the sport, so they wouldn't be making that choice in the first place. That is separate from people wanting trigger time with their carry gun, obviously.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 So is "cross draw" now legal? Oh do we now have an imaginary line for appendix carry that the gun cant go past? Only asking because I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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